FemDom without feminization

[Kb****]

Ways sorry to have upset ya, wsnt my intentions.

[Zis]

"Why does everything people say have to be twisted into..."?
...ok, im out. You dont get it and thats fine.

[Th****]

16 minutes ago, KbGoonie said:

Why does everything people say have to be twisted into somthing it isnt? I like to feel like a girl being dominated. But you are saying that by me saying that im being misogynistic and sexist?when in reality its just 2 different life experiences. Whatever I said to make you think im trying to be exist or whatever wasnt relieved how it should have been apparantly.

You don't have to intentionally try or even be aware in order to be to be sexist. 

14 minutes ago, KbGoonie said:

Instead of woman and man we can just say submissive and dominate. But thats not to say its set in stone like that. Women are inherently more submissive than men tend to be. Thats not sexism either btw.

Women are not inherently more submissive than men. 

[su****]

5 hours ago, Zis said:

I dont do feminization, because its misogynistic. What do you mean, its degrading for you, to be treated like a woman? Shows deeply how the sub feels about woman, so he is not for me.

I agree.  Also, having to sit to *** when in a chastity device, although less convenient  it isnt degrading.    Its just part of it

[Kb****]

Lol either way take it however you wanna take it.

[Kb****]

Ill be the bad guy in ur story this evening dont worry

[Zis]

22 minutes ago, KbGoonie said:

Ill be the bad guy in ur story this evening dont worry

No, you are not a bad guy. I was just hoping for a more constructive conversation. Thats all.

[Jo****]

Feminization & sissification are just misogyny, sexism, and even incidentally homophobia, disguised as kink. Period. It just perpetuates the idea that femininity in men is bad and shameful when its something the world needs more of.

[Jo****]

4 hours ago, KbGoonie said:

No, its actually because I love women and femininity so much that I wanna know whats its like to be the woman and also let the woman experience what its like to be the man

Yeah, so you’re just a misogynist.
Being in a topping position doesnt mean someone is experiencing what its like to be a man. And you only wanna experience femininity in a private, submissive manner, you dont actually want to feel what its like to be a woman because then you’d have to deal with things like *** threats n not being able to walk alone at night. You just wanna cherrypick the parts of femininity that make you c u m.

[Th****]

1 hour ago, JoeFrankenstein said:

Feminization & sissification are just misogyny, sexism, and even incidentally homophobia, disguised as kink. Period. It just perpetuates the idea that femininity in men is bad and shameful when its something the world needs more of.

Mostly, yes. Feminization can be positive or neutral, it requires nuance. 

[Jo****]

28 minutes ago, ThaliaV said:

Mostly, yes. Feminization can be positive or neutral, it requires nuance. 

Theres no nuance about it. Men using femininity to get off secretly, making it a thing of shame, making it heavily focused on patriarchal stereotypes; is inherently misogynist. Theres no nuance that makes all that positive or neutral, the root is misogyny, period. No different than race play being inherently racist, it doesn’t matter who is engaging in it or how, it’s all based in racism. And don’t get me started on how disgustingly common racist play is in feminization/sissy circles.

[Zis]

7 minutes ago, JoeFrankenstein said:

Theres no nuance about it. Men using femininity to get off secretly, making it a thing of shame, making it heavily focused on patriarchal stereotypes; is inherently misogynist. Theres no nuance that makes all that positive or neutral, the root is misogyny, period. No different than race play being inherently racist, it doesn’t matter who is engaging in it or how, it’s all based in racism. And don’t get me started on how disgustingly common racist play is in feminization/sissy circles.

Yeah no, thats a bit much for me. I know guys who love to wear "womans clothing", because they like to feel pretty. I have a problem with feminization, when its used as a tool to degrad. Then its misogynistic, from my perspective.
Lets just not put labels to genders

[ey****]

5 minutes ago, JoeFrankenstein said:

Men using femininity to get off secretly, making it a thing of shame, making it heavily focused on patriarchal stereotypes; is inherently misogynist

When that is the scenario. Yes it's migognyist.

However, there are people who explore with gender play for different reasons.  Some because they are at the early stages of realising they are trans, or genderfluid.   There was one person I know who felt their sissy/feminine persona whilst not someone they would argue to be a "real" woman - someone they felt more powerful and beautiful as than when they were a man. 

[Th****]

6 minutes ago, JoeFrankenstein said:

 

Theres no nuance about it. Men using femininity to get off secretly, making it a thing of shame, making it heavily focused on patriarchal stereotypes; is inherently misogynist. Theres no nuance that makes all that positive or neutral, the root is misogyny, period. No different than race play being inherently racist, it doesn’t matter who is engaging in it or how, it’s all based in racism. And don’t get me started on how disgustingly common racist play is in feminization/sissy circles.

Not all kink and bdsm is sexual. Feminization can be done/used/explored in ways that have absolutely nothing to do with arousal or "getting off"  

[Jo****]

56 minutes ago, eyemblacksheep said:

When that is the scenario. Yes it's migognyist.

However, there are people who explore with gender play for different reasons.  Some because they are at the early stages of realising they are trans, or genderfluid.   There was one person I know who felt their sissy/feminine persona whilst not someone they would argue to be a "real" woman - someone they felt more powerful and beautiful as than when they were a man. 

You are speaking to a nonbinary-genderfluid person, so i very much understand the difference between gender play and feminization/sissification. Being nonbinary after spending most of my life performing masculinity is exactly why i take issue with feminization and sissification and why I’m not gonna sit n debate it.
Men should absolutely explore their femininity, but it should not be about *** and stereotypes.

[Jo****]

56 minutes ago, ThaliaV said:

Not all kink and bdsm is sexual. Feminization can be done/used/explored in ways that have absolutely nothing to do with arousal or "getting off"  

And people can get off without it being sexual. My nonbinary ass isn’t gonna debate with you, i already blocked you so idk why you can even respond to me, leave me alone.

[Jo****]

1 hour ago, Zis said:

Yeah no, thats a bit much for me. I know guys who love to wear "womans clothing", because they like to feel pretty. I have a problem with feminization, when its used as a tool to degrad. Then its misogynistic, from my perspective.
Lets just not put labels to genders

Exactly, im a nonbinary-genderfluid person, i spent years in the closet n performing masculinity. Im all for men exploring femininity, just do it without the shame, ***, and stereotyping. In other words, without “feminization” & “sissification.”

[d_guglieme]

8 minutes ago, JoeFrankenstein said:

And people can get off without it being sexual. My nonbinary ass isn’t gonna debate with you, i already blocked you so idk why you can even respond to me, leave me alone.

I am 90-odd percent sure that blocking does not apply to forums, or at least threads that both parties are already in.

It might only apply to messages or other direct interaction between profiles. (This sort of thing is actually pretty common on various forums.)

[d_guglieme]

To answer the original question, I would agree in general terms.


I don't have hard data on how much femdom equates to feminization as a percentage, or comparing over time.

But, it seems to be common enough to almost be a default.

[Th****]

15 minutes ago, JoeFrankenstein said:

 

Exactly, im a nonbinary-genderfluid person, i spent years in the closet n performing masculinity. Im all for men exploring femininity, just do it without the shame, ***, and stereotyping. In other words, without “feminization” & “sissification.”

Feminization and sissification are not the same thing and aren't interchangable which is what you appear to believe. Yes sissification involves feminization in a gross and misogynistic way but feminization on it's own does *not* inherently involve shame, degredation or anything else similar. Just like any other kind of genderfuckery isn't inherently about shame, degredation, etc. 

Edited 15 hours ago by ThaliaV
Typo

[Th****]

2 minutes ago, d_guglieme said:

But, it seems to be common enough to almost be a default.

It's really not, unless you're judging by femdom porn which is pretty unrealistic in general. 

[Si****]

I’m going to take a lot heat here for saying this but someone has to….feminism as a whole as not been pushing equality in the last 5 years but about feminization and femdom from what I seen has become all about feminization. Now que the replys 😂

[Zis]

3 minutes ago, SinfullMark said:

I’m going to take a lot heat here for saying this but someone has to….feminism as a whole as not been pushing equality in the last 5 years but about feminization and femdom from what I seen has become all about feminization. Now que the replys 😂

Oh honey...need a little bit of attention?

[Si****]

1 minute ago, Zis said:

Oh honey...need a little bit of attention?

I don’t need any attention! You don’t need to like or agree with what I said but that’s the reality…feminism hasn’t had anything to do with equality in the last 5+ years.

[Zis]

Its more the sentence "now que the replies😂"
You brav man, to be the one who has an opinion about feminisim and need to say it. Bravo!