Th**** Posted July 10 5 minutes ago, ManchesterDom98 said: Yes I do. But you are missing the whole point of the submissive needing to communicate with the dominant...who is in control...to make sure, that they control the scene safely and give their signs when things are too much. Submissives also have a responsibility too, that is what I am trying to highlight here. And our point is that for many reasons in reality there are times when a submissive might not be able to or might not feel safe doing so. Yes, in theory, they should, but that's not reality.
Ma**** Posted July 10 3 minutes ago, ThaliaV said: I promise you that neither myself or @CopperKnobare attacking you, that's not the intent, we're trying to explain how saying that the submissive holds the power leaves room for harm. She may have tossed you a bit of snark out of frustration put she's not actually a jerk for the sake of it. Still not okay, I haven't been disrespectful at all to anyone in the comments. Just because your angry or frustrated, thats not a good enough excuse I'm afraid. No, it was completely out of order.
ey**** Posted July 10 26 minutes ago, ManchesterDom98 said: Okay, now that is my final point. Turns out that was a lie
Ma**** Posted July 10 Just now, eyemblacksheep said: Turns out that was a lie Now you are just provoking me and not listening.
Ma**** Posted July 10 3 minutes ago, eyemblacksheep said: by that logic remove the Dominant and the submissive has no power. See. Exactly correct...if there are no dominants then the submissives have no power too. Exactly right. It is only when they combine do the submissives have the power.
Th**** Posted July 10 1 minute ago, ManchesterDom98 said: Still not okay, I haven't been disrespectful at all to anyone in the comments. Just because your angry or frustrated, thats not a good enough excuse I'm afraid. No, it was completely out of order. What isn't an excuse? Being frustrated about not being heard is absolutely a valid reason to tell you they's not willing to give any more free labor or education.
ey**** Posted July 10 Just now, ManchesterDom98 said: Now you are just provoking me and not listening. nope, you are not listening. you have multiple people trying to explain. you already said you stand by your views (which are wrong, btw) but still keep arguing the point trying to change others.
ey**** Posted July 10 1 minute ago, ManchesterDom98 said: Exactly correct...if there are no dominants then the submissives have no power too. Exactly right. It is only when they combine do the submissives have the power. but you said submissives have all the power, are in control
ey**** Posted July 10 Maybe the truth of the matter is that you aren't a Dominant, you're a service top - just doing what your "sub" tells you to do - and that's cool - but this is a thread about D/s - and F/m at that.
Th**** Posted July 10 1 minute ago, ManchesterDom98 said: It is only when they combine do the submissives have the power. This is the part that's incorrect. The D is the one with the power. Therefore they have the majority of the responsibility.
Ma**** Posted July 10 2 minutes ago, ThaliaV said: What isn't an excuse? Being frustrated about not being heard is absolutely a valid reason to tell you they's not willing to give any more free labor or education. I was meaning the white male card...
Ma**** Posted July 10 1 minute ago, eyemblacksheep said: but you said submissives have all the power, are in control Only when they combine with a dominant
Ma**** Posted July 10 4 minutes ago, eyemblacksheep said: nope, you are not listening. you have multiple people trying to explain. you already said you stand by your views (which are wrong, btw) but still keep arguing the point trying to change others. Yeah but I think they are right and that is the beauty of this world...we are free to think and feel what we want and not care if anyone thinks otherwise
ey**** Posted July 10 Just now, ManchesterDom98 said: Yeah but I think they are right and that is the beauty of this world...we are free to think and feel what we want and not care if anyone thinks otherwise well clearly you care cos you keep chatting shit.
Ma**** Posted July 10 4 minutes ago, eyemblacksheep said: Maybe the truth of the matter is that you aren't a Dominant, you're a service top - just doing what your "sub" tells you to do - and that's cool - but this is a thread about D/s - and F/m at that. Great projection
Ma**** Posted July 10 1 minute ago, eyemblacksheep said: well clearly you care cos you keep chatting shit. Its not like you haven't been either
ey**** Posted July 10 Just now, ManchesterDom98 said: Its not like you haven't been either I wasn't the one who said it was my final point 3 pages ago. But there we are.
Th**** Posted July 10 14 minutes ago, ManchesterDom98 said: I cannot be more clearer. Submissives have a responsibility to say their safe words when things are too much and communicate effectively so their dominant doesn't end up hurting them. 15 minutes ago, ManchesterDom98 said: The dominant can't control that. The dominant cannot feel the amount of *** the submissive is in, they can see the effects but if the submissive doesn't communicate their safe word and makes no communication that it is too much, it cannot be fully blamed on the dominant if the scene turns sour and someone gets hurt. We hear what you're saying but it's flawed. You're still putting the weight of responsibility on the sub. Even in the best of circumstances there are times where a submissive truly might not be able to. Only going off whether or not they call red is potentially dangerous. This is something Doms should know and be aware of so they're not *solely* relying on the sub's judgement and communication. Part of the Dom's consent is accepting this responsibility.
Ma**** Posted July 10 9 minutes ago, ThaliaV said: This is the part that's incorrect. The D is the one with the power. Therefore they have the majority of the responsibility. But without a submissive they have no responsibility. A submissive gives a dominant power, responsibility and fulfilment. No dominant, true dominant, is fulfilled without a submissive. So, therefore..the submissive completes and fulfills the dominants nature to its highest capacity. If you remove the submissive from the dominants life, all power, all responsibility, all duty of care vanishes. Meaning, the submissive holds far power and significance than the Dominants.
Th**** Posted July 10 10 minutes ago, ManchesterDom98 said: I was meaning the white male card... It was also a valid point. Even if it didn't feel good to hear it.
Ma**** Posted July 10 1 minute ago, ThaliaV said: It was also a valid point. Even if it didn't feel good to hear it. It was also kinda racist...but I guess you think thats cool on this little app where you have no repercussions.
Th**** Posted July 10 Just now, ManchesterDom98 said: It was also kinda racist...but I guess you think thats cool on this little app where you have no repercussions. It's not at all racist.
Th**** Posted July 10 5 minutes ago, ManchesterDom98 said: But without a submissive they have no responsibility. A submissive gives a dominant power, responsibility and fulfilment. No dominant, true dominant, is fulfilled without a submissive. So, therefore..the submissive completes and fulfills the dominants nature to its highest capacity. If you remove the submissive from the dominants life, all power, all responsibility, all duty of care vanishes. Meaning, the submissive holds far power and significance than the Dominants. No. The sub consents and submits to the dominant's power. The whole "no true dominant is fulfilled w/o a sub" is romanticizing and probably not the healthiest perspective to have.
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