JackJonesHull Posted November 17 I realise that there will, inevitably, be an argument that it's not AI to which I refer but.... Who is embracing Grok and grokalikes to generate material for themselves or others? Using such things to satisfy their own peccadillos? Is anyone else worried that genuine human connection will be lost to automation and technology? Or are you wanting to plunge headlong in to satisfy your passions? Out of curiosity I took single photos from 1996 and used an AI generator to create little seconds long videos (Gillian Anderson FHM photoshoot if you're interested) and was actually delighted and horrified in equal measure. I'd be interested in others input here. Long life human connections.
bi**** Posted November 17 A lot of human connnection has already been lost to porn. To the point the anime AI catgril will be giving you a more intimate, emotive and authentic experience than the averge porn video :)
my**** Posted November 17 You’re thinking too small. At what point do we get our ideal partners in AI with a synthetic body? If you could make your perfect partner would they be too perfect and you’d lose interest? There’s a movie from the 80s called Cherry 2000 that I think about all the time. A robot that gives a guy everything he wants and is perfect in every way, but he goes for a human because of her imperfections. I had a long talk with a girl about the future of AI and robotics. She asked if I would be happy with a robot version of her. I wouldn’t, but it’s not a reality yet. What happens when everyone can have their ideal relationship?
le**** Posted November 17 7 minutes ago, mythicalman said: You’re thinking too small. At what point do we get our ideal partners in AI with a synthetic body? If you could make your perfect partner would they be too perfect and you’d lose interest? There’s a movie from the 80s called Cherry 2000 that I think about all the time. A robot that gives a guy everything he wants and is perfect in every way, but he goes for a human because of her imperfections. I had a long talk with a girl about the future of AI and robotics. She asked if I would be happy with a robot version of her. I wouldn’t, but it’s not a reality yet. What happens when everyone can have their ideal relationship? I saw that movie as a ***ager.. oooff
ju**** Posted November 17 People are interacting with smart technology more than with people as it is, as a result becoming less and less comfortable with human interaction. Not learning socialisation skills as we would know them. Change. Maybe as generations move along having a relationship with a Sim will be totally the norm and human interaction seen as deviant. Dirty, unhygienic, messy and unnecessarily complex?
my**** Posted November 17 6 minutes ago, letsexplore47164 said: I saw that movie as a ***ager.. oooff How dare you! That was prime b movie. I actually just watched it again last year. Everytime I think about contracts in BDSM I think about the scene with the lawyers working out the oral sex clause.
Firepit Posted November 17 There is no ethical usage for Generative AI. chief amongst them is the environmental costs.
JackJonesHull Posted November 17 Author 48 minutes ago, jucysoft said: People are interacting with smart technology more than with people as it is, as a result becoming less and less comfortable with human interaction. Not learning socialisation skills as we would know them. Change. Maybe as generations move along having a relationship with a Sim will be totally the norm and human interaction seen as deviant. Dirty, unhygienic, messy and unnecessarily complex? Then I am deviant. I demand dirty, unhygienic, messy and unnecessarily complex!
JackJonesHull Posted November 17 Author 1 hour ago, bittenkiss said: A lot of human connnection has already been lost to porn. To the point the anime AI catgril will be giving you a more intimate, emotive and authentic experience than the averge porn video :) I've not got the attraction to porn. It's never connected for me. Plus it can't compete with my imagination or reality. But I've seen many lost to it believing it to be real/realistic.
ey**** Posted November 17 first thing with AI is regardless of anyone's opinions - it's out the bag and aint going back in I expect in the future there'll be a lot of use cases - there are already a couple of laws around deep fakes, so I'd be very wary making adult content based on real people - and hell, even if not someone real - added risk if it's a likeness of someone, or, if they look.... young... I expect a lot of the whole 'ai girlfriend' thing will take off a lot, but for how long - cos does it get a little tiring always being told you're right/wonderful/etc with someone who has no opinions of their own
Firepit Posted November 17 24 minutes ago, eyemblacksheep said: first thing with AI is regardless of anyone's opinions - it's out the bag and aint going back in I expect in the future there'll be a lot of use cases - there are already a couple of laws around deep fakes, so I'd be very wary making adult content based on real people - and hell, even if not someone real - added risk if it's a likeness of someone, or, if they look.... young... I expect a lot of the whole 'ai girlfriend' thing will take off a lot, but for how long - cos does it get a little tiring always being told you're right/wonderful/etc with someone who has no opinions of their own The whole "it's out of the bag" stuff always just smacks of someone trying to justify feeling okay to continue using something. You just don't need to. There's zero need. Nor want. Except those who don't care or comprehend or both.
ey**** Posted November 17 1 minute ago, Firepit said: The whole "it's out of the bag" stuff always just smacks of someone trying to justify feeling okay to continue using something. You just don't need to. There's zero need. Nor want. Except those who don't care or comprehend or both. Did you ACTUALLY read what I wrote?!
sardonicus87 Posted November 17 Human connection was already waning before AI, and has been getting worse without AI helping, with social etiquette and social skills in the toilet and quickly going down the drain. . Personally, I have less than 0 interest in any kind of content/stories/etc. My rage at being stuck online because nobody wants anything real anymore far eclipses the rage Agent Smith had in "The Matrix". . Everyone's got excuses like "no third places, blah blah blah" and while that's a real thing that doesn't help, the bigger issue is almost nobody wants to put in any effort whatsoever, and real friendship takes actual effort and compromise. . So AI girlfriend or AI content, if that's the only option, then I'm going to pull a Ted K. minus the bombings. Have fun with the Wall-E dystopian hellscape coming, I won't have anything to do with it.
id**** Posted November 18 Absolutely not. I'm so sick of AI, it's just gonna get worse and more and more people are gonna end up replacing human connection with robots/AI
ey**** Posted November 18 I guess at the minute also there are challenges facing AI and some stark warnings which may have some who are anti-AI jumping for joy. Though that in itself may be premature. As I say above - the tech is out there, and whether you use it, or don't - whether you like it, or don't - so on, it doesn't matter it is out there and others will use it and it becomes something you have to be aware of. Like, even if someone said "AI = Bad" and 100 people stopped using it - Microsoft, Amazon, X, etc have all incorporated it into their products - and this includes a lot of server and webhosting. This site clearly uses a lot of AI in the sense of pattern behaviour for fakes, image classification and a lot of the blog images. (Obviously of course there are differences between Generative AI, Agentic AI, and assorted other practices - but they all ARE a form of AI and all *presently* require the high power/water demands) but like - I'm not saying people are wrong when they cite environmental concerns, but it seems to be a hyper focus on AI when, for example : online gaming, netflix and similar, any form of 'cloud based' application all challenge environmental risks. But as power demands go up, so do their costs - so it's why Netflix started putting in ads, why a lot of cloud subscriptions shot up in price - and, similarly, a lot of AI usage is going to become more expensive. Front page of BBC news today has about the impending crash - and yep, there's been a lot of overspeculation. Because for AI to be long-term viable the costs (and environmental impact) HAVE to come down. However, when - shall we say - hobbyists - get priced out - there becomes an issue that those who still use it will have more of an interest in.... return on investment... which can make it more likely for scams. And of course, aforementioned big tech companies are less likely to slow down. There is of course all sorts of potential legal challenges - be it music which effectively puts out something based on something recognisable - or, of course, adult art that is a likeness of a real person. Some adult sites have started asking for consent forms for AI generated images - i.e. that the person it's based on has consent for it to be used this way.
sw**** Posted November 19 It is the VR and dolls turned robots with intergrated toys that is most impactful
JackJonesHull Posted November 19 Author 3 hours ago, swm3642 said: It is the VR and dolls turned robots with intergrated toys that is most impactful Whilst true, I'm sure it can't be denied, there's been enough tales told of this glorious future to make even the most fervent tech addict to pause and run for the hills. Westworld is within our grasp.
ey**** Posted November 19 the thing with the robots is they are going to be insanely expensive and most regular folk will not be able to afford to buy - and subsequently run - one. the whole "robot assistant to do your dishes" is gonna be outside of price ranges. However, of course, their cost is less than say... an annual employee in a factory, or, given they need fewer breaks, if one can work a 140 hour week - much cheaper than 4 annual employees.... and whether a boss uses them for extras....
JackJonesHull Posted November 19 Author 3 hours ago, eyemblacksheep said: the thing with the robots is they are going to be insanely expensive and most regular folk will not be able to afford to buy - and subsequently run - one. the whole "robot assistant to do your dishes" is gonna be outside of price ranges. However, of course, their cost is less than say... an annual employee in a factory, or, given they need fewer breaks, if one can work a 140 hour week - much cheaper than 4 annual employees.... and whether a boss uses them for extras.... Let the rich breed themselves out of the gene pool with machines! They'd better hope the robots don't achieve sentience. The payback could be ***ful.
ey**** Posted November 19 I suspect, depending on 'life' that they may well own the robots - but let them out to others - obviously sex robots are somewhat of a thing, so adding to AI would be next level.
Ma**** Posted December 1 Well, having tried a half a dozen or so, including grok (I wish RAH's estate could sue over that misappropriation), Claude, chat gpt, gemini, mistral and probably a few others - I can say very confidently, there is ZERO intelligence there, but their abilities at creative writing are stunning. If you don't challenge them, AND pay attention, they can pull of the deception very well. If you expect them to do anything else for you, prepare to be disappointed. Writing code, for instance - I guarantee you, 50% (basic demo or outline) is easy, 80% (complex demo or fully fleshed out psuedo-code that doesn't work) is quite achievable, and 90% is hitting the cyclical, repeated-errors stage. Not that the demo's will necessarily work - but the pretense of easily creating a final product is there - and false. Creative writing can be very useful in less technical areas... As for creating content...the content I needed, and My boss believed the hype over, is more or less beyond their capabilities. See MIT's reported 95% failure rate to substantiate that. Someone I spoke to recently had an "ai" help them put together a resume, and it fabricated inaccurate qualifications - when fiction is all they can do, pretending there is any normal state other than hallucination, is just fooling yourself. Any resemblance to any real person, action, place or event, is largely coincidental. Loss of human contact is only one risk...artificial morons can do far worse than that. But human-like bots on dating sites - yeah, that's really going to hurt, making the difficulties of finding someone real online, to achieve personal contact with, even more difficult than it is already. If you haven't found a throwaway scammer account, repeating almost exactly the same script, same excuses, same requests and same errors - either you're not trying very hard, or you're tossing the scammers/bots out a little earlier than I am - good onya!
Ma**** Posted December 1 November 17, Firepit said: There is no ethical usage for Generative AI. chief amongst them is the environmental costs. Don't worry, the bubble is about to burst and those untold hundreds of billions will vanish overnight... ... On second thoughts, do worry. Because that value ain't coming back, and it will hit everywhere (indirectly). Including the renewable transition, as investment will drop - everywhere.
ey**** Posted December 22 the other day I got an advert for an "AI Companion" and I've gone down a little rabbithole Some of this is terrifying, some somewhat brilliant Most will let you build your own companion but then won't let you do anything without paying. I suspect they're all built on the same kinda model. What was interesting is there were multiple options on the *type* of chat, including what was effectively dating, sexual, friendship, general chit chat and even one for dating advice. So I suspect the same model re-skinned and advertised to different people. Payments seem relatively cheap - though in some cases I suspect some basic packages might run out of tokens quite quickly and that tots up. Most of these are text based chats, but some apparently will send you photos, videos, voice notes, etc (sure one was offering voice calls!) I found two which had somewhat of a free version. One has pre-instlaled people you can role play with and scope to create your own. So I did play with this one a little. It interestingly had different relationship statuses with people which does mean you can't just dive straight in and sext, as you effectively have to build the trust first. Which, I also suspect points you to pay - though interestingly this one had both a perpetual license and an ability to download - which in essence meant it was running the trained model locally - which negates environmental concerns if it's running locally on your phone or PC Another one with 'starting credits' would let you dive into a scene, and some of it was scarily good. I have found some bits, like a lot of ai, can be quite cliche or repetitive (a lot of whispering and loweing voices) but I also found it could sometimes forget context (like what clothes people are wearing) or sometimes repeat things it thought fit context which didn't. It was, regardlessly, very good. Especially from a free trial. Now, on one hand, if you're a guy (or, well, not - but it's usually a guy) who just wants to get off, some of these appear to do the need. So can chat away to folk as and when, get off, and done - for fraction of the cost of a dating site and without messing folk around On another. While I did find some of the AI isn't *always* agreeable - it is perhaps often too easy to get away with inappropriate commands. I did also find both with free versions struggled a bit when I told the AI to take the lead. Which means it's very user driven fantasy rather than having an actual discussion - so it's not something that might help people with real dating skills (this said, none of the relationship advice ones I looked at had a free trial, but I half reckon chatgpt would do you the same on it's free tier. Some of this in it's current format may kill some of the low-level finance requests, someone might not pay someone £20 for a JOI if they can subscribe to something where they can create someone who will give them instructions as-and-when for £5 a pop. I half wonder if this ties in with comments i've seen on twitter with some low-level people who do a lot of online play saying they're struggling at the moment.
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