Go**** Posted January 20 47 minutes ago, Odd-1086 said: I'm sorry to say this, but as a sub, you and Andrew sound like you are lazy Dom's who think that the dynamic means that you don't have to take the responsibility for the dynamic. A bratty sub is one that's trying to find out if you're paying attention or not and if you're willing to en*** your needs over theirs. I've only met one women who was sadistic enough to en*** her will. But then she wouldn't commit to the relationship. Without both of these things you may as well be vanilla. I'm not saying this to be abusive, just pointing out that a sub is not a sub until it submits and commits to the relationship and a dom is not a dom unless they commit and en*** what they want from their sub. As a sub I have ask a potential dom to write an essay on what a sub gets from the dynamic. Most of the time the dom says that it's not my place, but the true Dom's can answer this with little effort. Separates the wanna bes from legitimate doms Lol, you got the attention you wanted- and turned around to say exactly what we were saying... Your anecdotal opinion is valid, but using it as backup "fact" in a "rebuttal" in a discussion where lifestyle practitioners are literally stating what you end up stating at the end feels like pleonasm for covert begging of attention, aka, you had nothing to rebut and could have just shared your experience. How very bratty of you - I don't know what to tell you. Nobody is against brats here, but there is a clear difference when a participant is passing by for the fantasy without acknowledging or being able to even name the dynamics clearly as an informed practitioner (I call them "fantasists" or "performative kinksters") and a brat, which is a clearly defined role that a practitioner can embody. You can't will or "shape" a fantasist in RESPECTING the embodiment necessary for structured play.
Odd-1086 Posted January 20 9 minutes ago, Godessy said: Lol, you got the attention you wanted- and turned around to say exactly what we were saying... Your anecdotal opinion is valid, but using it as backup "fact" in a "rebuttal" in a discussion where lifestyle practitioners are literally stating what you end up stating at the end feels like pleonasm for covert begging of attention, aka, you had nothing to rebut and could have just shared your experience. How very bratty of you - I don't know what to tell you. Nobody is against brats here, but there is a clear difference when a participant is passing by for the fantasy without acknowledging or being able to even name the dynamics clearly as an informed practitioner (I call them "fantasists" or "performative kinksters") and a brat, which is a clearly defined role that a practitioner can embody. You can't will or "shape" a fantasist in RESPECTING the embodiment necessary for structured play. Yes, you're absolutely right. I am a fantasise. That's because I can't find a lifestyle Mistress. Yes, I'm begging for attention, but only the right type of attention. You still sound very vanilla, jumping head first into the dynamic, without first establishing the dynamic. I call these weekender. Jump in get what you want and jump out. O completely understand the paradox that a woman has to deal with inside her own mind. Do you upstanding the paradox of the male/sub mind. From your comments, you don't.
Go**** Posted January 20 24 minutes ago, Odd-1086 said: Yes, you're absolutely right. I am a fantasise. That's because I can't find a lifestyle Mistress. Yes, I'm begging for attention, but only the right type of attention. You still sound very vanilla, jumping head first into the dynamic, without first establishing the dynamic. I call these weekender. Jump in get what you want and jump out. O completely understand the paradox that a woman has to deal with inside her own mind. Do you upstanding the paradox of the male/sub mind. From your comments, you don't. 1)You sound hurt; please see your local mental health professional- because that felt like a lot of projection. 2) who told you I was a woman? Using gender to justify anything is a strawman argument for the weak; leave it at the door; we are all adults here!! And again, I am not sure if you understand what a fantasist is as I use the word or the performance vs. embodiment subject that is being discussed here: nobody is saying that finding a compatible partner isn't hard - two embodied practitioners could still not be compatible and fail the dynamic for whatever reason. The "performer" here is not a practitioner in character during a play or a scene; it's referring to the fakers that enter the realm of kink without doing due diligence to learn, research, understand, and without taking roles and dynamics seriously as you would do for anything else that is IMPORTANT.
Odd-1086 Posted January 20 Your profile picture is of a woman. I don't run into many trans people. They are a very. Very small part of the population. Forgive me if it's something that doesn't even cross my mind. I mean no disrespect by this. It's just the way it is. You are right. It is important to do due diligence. Especially when someone resorts to personal attacks as a means of winning an argument. It proves that you know nothing about the people that you want to dominate.
Odd-1086 Posted January 20 I'm sorry, but I don't understand your logic here . If you are a trans woman and I have assumed you are a woman. Isn't that acknowledgement of who you believe you are. So why is it an insult, instead of a compliment.
Go**** Posted January 20 6 minutes ago, Odd-1086 said: I'm sorry, but I don't understand your logic here . If you are a trans woman and I have assumed you are a woman. Isn't that acknowledgement of who you believe you are. So why is it an insult, instead of a compliment. lemme introduce you to a beautiful word called "non binary" and Google will help you understand the rest. hope that helps
Go**** Posted January 20 16 minutes ago, Odd-1086 said: Your profile picture is of a woman. I don't run into many trans people. They are a very. Very small part of the population. Forgive me if it's something that doesn't even cross my mind. I mean no disrespect by this. It's just the way it is. You are right. It is important to do due diligence. Especially when someone resorts to personal attacks as a means of winning an argument. It proves that you know nothing about the people that you want to dominate. and again, misgendering is not the problem here; the use of gender as a strawman argument is. You got your argument wrong not because you are a male sub, but because you lack an understanding of the initial premise of what a performative sub or dom was. Does that make sense? And arguing I lacked understanding because of my gender or perceived gender is wrong on so many levels; the appellation is not the root of the problem; your strawman argument is . AKA, whether I had been a woman or not, you would still be wrong to think I can't walk in your "man" shoe
Odd-1086 Posted January 20 I don't accept that, I'm sorry. You are who you are or you are who you choose to be. How can you be a dom and not know who you are. I don't care who you think you are. I deal with the person in front of me. Or is calling you a person insulting too. This is the 3xact difference between performance and immersion. Thanks for that.
Go**** Posted January 20 10 minutes ago, Odd-1086 said: I don't accept that, I'm sorry. You are who you are or you are who you choose to be. How can you be a dom and not know who you are. I don't care who you think you are. I deal with the person in front of me. Or is calling you a person insulting too. This is the 3xact difference between performance and immersion. Thanks for that. Respectfully, you are kinda exhausting. I will leave it at that. I see you are 61 years of age; there's a whole lexicon of understanding between our generations. You keep using strawmen and deflection; I don't know if it's the level of knowledge, level of understanding, or just you trolling on purpose.... . It doesn't matter; I am going to exit this dynamic of confusion and hope somebody else can help you understand what you are missing about this topic. I am out. Take care of yourself.
Odd-1086 Posted January 20 No that's not true. I literally think more of you than nothing. In this D/s dynamic that we are talking about, let's say that tour a switch. In the dynamic their is no room for non binary. In that moment, you're either a dom oflr a sub. You have decided who you want to be at that moment. Correct? So ss non binary. You tend to switch. Which is fine, but how does everyone else know that your non binary. If you present as a man, woman, pet, slave, whatever, that's how you present yourself at that moment. And to respect YOUR choice at that moment the person in front of you addresses you how you that way. That's what I mean when I say that I think more of you than binary. I think of you as exactly who you present yourself as. That's respect. Non binary, is narcissism. Not who you are, but what you are. Your here simply for the drama, not the kink.
Go**** Posted January 20 12 minutes ago, Odd-1086 said: No that's not true. I literally think more of you than nothing. In this D/s dynamic that we are talking about, let's say that tour a switch. In the dynamic their is no room for non binary. In that moment, you're either a dom oflr a sub. You have decided who you want to be at that moment. Correct? So ss non binary. You tend to switch. Which is fine, but how does everyone else know that your non binary. If you present as a man, woman, pet, slave, whatever, that's how you present yourself at that moment. And to respect YOUR choice at that moment the person in front of you addresses you how you that way. That's what I mean when I say that I think more of you than binary. I think of you as exactly who you present yourself as. That's respect. Non binary, is narcissism. Not who you are, but what you are. Your here simply for the drama, not the kink. Please copy-paste this whole conversation into ChatGPT. Use the robot slave to educate yourself, because you sound a little ignorant about gender identification and conflating it with personality disorder and kink dynamics. It's a whole mess, and thats not what this thread is about. Once you understand more. My Dms are always open if you come respectfully in good faith and you need more personal takes on my identity as a non binary. That will be all for me.
Odd-1086 Posted January 20 Let me explain this simply to you. Or better still, I have a question for you. What physical attribute does a non binary person have that indicates to a passer-by that that person is non binary. This is the issue. And this is the reason that im calling you narcissistic. If you can't give me a definitive answer, all your doing is creating drama where none exists. I'm sorry, but who or that are you at this moment because unless you describe yourself in writing then I don't have a clue what your supposed to be. Do you like being a nothing??????
Odd-1086 Posted January 20 Last comment then I'm done. If we were at a party and there was an academy award winning person there and un be known to us they were describing to a group of people how they would play a lion. We walk past, I say great lion mate, you say great non binary. Which do you think they would recognise as a compliment. The academy award winner was both performing and immersed in their character. But they would wish that you recognised that they were trying to emulate a lion, of course.
Go**** Posted January 20 34 minutes ago, Odd-1086 said: Let me explain this simply to you. Or better still, I have a question for you. What physical attribute does a non binary person have that indicates to a passer-by that that person is non binary. This is the issue. And this is the reason that im calling you narcissistic. If you can't give me a definitive answer, all your doing is creating drama where none exists. I'm sorry, but who or that are you at this moment because unless you describe yourself in writing then I don't have a clue what your supposed to be. Do you like being a nothing?????? unless someone tells you their name , you don't just pick one for them, because with that logic you seems like a dorothy to me: so just like for names, assume you never know anything until it confirms; attention to detail is a skill when you are in queer spaces . So a compliment is about subjective stuff , my identity is personal info why would you assume you are the subject to define someone else identity--- and again your exemples are so wrong because you lack information on the subjects your are trying to process--- you are litte a two years old trying to discuss quantum theory when you don't even know chemistry or math exists. Everything I say to you will sound like magic when its not, so before understanding gender identity, please understand that human beings are biologically complex and psychologically diverse
Odd-1086 Posted January 21 So another words narcissism. You expect the whole world to change for you, without giving any information. 99.95% of people don't need this stupidity to get on in the world, yet you think it's reasonable. Creating drama where no drama exists Enjoying the drama. That is the clinical definition of narcissism. I don't except that premise either. Yes they are biologically diverse, for sure. But your not talking biology, your talking psychology. Is the English language your second language or are you using a translation device. If not you truly don't understand the English language. You should get yourself an Oxford or Webster dictionary app for your phone so you understand that words have specific meanings, nit just what you feel like they should mean. It's what is great about the English language. You seem to struggle with the actual meanings.
Odd-1086 Posted January 21 I'm worried about you. I bet your parents are too. 99.95% of people want you to be happy within yourself. 99.95% of people feel for and don't mean you any harm what so ever. But think of this. Your saying your non binary because you don't fit societal norms. Do you relate to a 1% bike club member. Or to a Vietnam veteran. Do you think that you're the only one who feels that they live outside of society. Do you know that both veterans and bikers respect each other. You show no respect for anyone but yourself. Again, text book narcissism.
Odd-1086 Posted January 21 Can you imagine my plight for a minute. I'm submissive, I'm a masochist. How do you think these things go down with the rest of my generation. As a man, I'm expected to be strong. To be assertive, to take charge and, yes to be able to be violent when my country asks. The life I wish that I could lead gas only just become available to me after 60 years of yearning. And I have some up start trying to tell me still. THAT MY FEELINGS DONT COUNT. HOw ignorant are you. How little empathy you have fir yhe people around you. Once again all trademark signs of a narcissist and a psychopath. Do your college thing and do your research.
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