SSC, RACK, PRICK

[Deleted Member]

All Consent based Frameworks for a dynamic. But which one do you actually practice?

Personally, I was introduced to the Lifestyle with SSC, I was made to memorize and be able to spout its meaning at the crack of a whip. It has shaped my style throughout the years and I still maintain it over the other two.

[Be****]

I don't mean to sound dismissive, but SSC is quite an outdated term now, as what is safe or sane for one person, really isn't for another. I can appreciate PRICK, however I do think that the person risk portion of the acronym could allow less safe dominants to say they don't need to look out for their subs because that's not within their personal risk portion of PRICK. For me RACK is the best fit, because it means we have discussed the risks and consent anyway. Risk Aware Consensual Kink = RACK.

[ey****]

Generally, I find all of the frameworks are somewhat flawed in the sense they're very open to interpretation and misinterpretation and often are.

This is not to say they're not important in their own right.

SSC *is* an outdated term but it's the easy one to teach to newbies.  It's easy to remember and while it is open to interpretation - like, is wielding a bullwhip you've not learned to use safe (or being on the receiving end from someone reckless)? Absolutely not.   Is going to live in a dog cage on a diet of dog food sensible (or 'sane') no it is absolutely not.   Do you have consent to do whatever it is you want to do? No, really - do you have consent? If not, don't do it!

We then kinda treat RACK and PRICK as like "next step up" but they're not really.  Some just make you think about things a little bit more.

Like...ok, is it safe.... err, yeah... no it's not. There's risks. What are the risks? And what are you doing to mitigate them?  OK consent... ok so you said yes, or the other person said yes.  But was this of a sober and clear mind?  Are you/they aware of the risks?

And some doesn't need to be a big quiz.  

In an ideal world it is everyone's responsibility to 

- learn what the risks of any activity, and mitigate the risks

- ensure the other person is also aware

- make sure the other person consents to the activity, and were of a clear mind when they did, nor felt pressured or co-erced, and there were no mitigating circumstances which would have had them make it a no (i.e. I wouldn't have agreed to let you cane me unsupervised if I'd known you'd never caned someone before)

That while some of these is the responsibility of the other person if you make it YOUR responsibilty to ensure you're on the same wavelength less issues occur

And some say this removes spontaninity and santises kink - but then, we're not in an ideal world anyway.   A lot of people end up doing stuff outside of whichever framework they claim to follow anyway. 

[Deleted Member]

Agreed with both of you that SSC is outdated, and the other two frameworks are more prevalent and also still flawed. I treat them as a foundation to begin from but they are not comprehensive by any means. I think acronyms are easy to learn, but they are just building blocks that you use to craft your safe and consensual dynamic with. Common sense, Communication, Community involvement, Honesty, the list goes on and on and would make for a very long and confusing acronym if we were listing out all the things required for a Dynamic to function beneficially for all involved.

[sardonicus87]

No matter the framework, communication is what's important, and I have yet to find anyone that will do it. If you asked 1,000 questions, you asked too few.
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Most just want it to be "you like being spanked" to "yeah, I like being spanked" and that be it. No, how do you like it (OTK, through clothes or bare, sweet spot, where to not hit, pace, need warmup and generally how long, any implements wanted or off limits, any...) and then they start going "I dunno, just do it?".
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"All the talking ruins the mood/fun". Yet same person will turn around and parrot the "communication is key" line.
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But it is, and here's an example... you know how someone interprets stuff like this.
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Honestly, I don't think very many actually "practices" this stuff (on purpose), they just say that they do. It's all romanticized e-clout writing anyway to describe "hey, don't be a dummy, dummy", like the obligatory warnings given before something like a roller-coaster that nobody reads and just presumes. Like, I've never had anyone ever ask me or heard of anyone else being asked "which one do you practice", it's only ever been just said at the beginning of a demo/class or dungeon rules out in the real world.

[Deleted Member]

16 minutes ago, sardonicus87 said:

No matter the framework, communication is what's important, and I have yet to find anyone that will do it. If you asked 1,000 questions, you asked too few.
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Most just want it to be "you like being spanked" to "yeah, I like being spanked" and that be it. No, how do you like it (OTK, through clothes or bare, sweet spot, where to not hit, pace, need warmup and generally how long, any implements wanted or off limits, any...) and then they start going "I dunno, just do it?".
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"All the talking ruins the mood/fun". Yet same person will turn around and parrot the "communication is key" line.
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But it is, and here's an example... you know how someone interprets stuff like this.
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Honestly, I don't think very many actually "practices" this stuff (on purpose), they just say that they do. It's all romanticized e-clout writing anyway to describe "hey, don't be a dummy, dummy", like the obligatory warnings given before something like a roller-coaster that nobody reads and just presumes. Like, I've never had anyone ever ask me or heard of anyone else being asked "which one do you practice", it's only ever been just said at the beginning of a demo/class or dungeon rules out in the real world.

Maybe you can amend that statement to you have almost never heard it being asked, because I just asked it?

[sardonicus87]

15 minutes ago, LeoLoves said:

Maybe you can amend that statement to you have almost never heard it being asked, because I just asked it?

*it literally only gets asked online in forums, not ever in the real world. Yeah you just asked about it... on an INTERNET SITE, not in the real world. And maybe it gets asked IRL as a conversation starter.
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It's theoretical and talked about, but not actually PRACTICED, like a philosophy.
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But that's kind of another problem with these acronyms and other BDSM terms. People want to use them, but don't want to give them real definitions, making them ineffective and useless for communication and totally pointless because "everyone interprets them differently". Then why even have them?
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Nobody ever, who messaged me looking for play (rare as it is), or anyone at a munch or party or dungeon has ever brought up these acronyms except at the beginning of a demo or teaching thing.

[Gi****]

1 hour ago, sardonicus87 said:

No matter the framework, communication is what's important, and I have yet to find anyone that will do it. If you asked 1,000 questions, you asked too few.
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Most just want it to be "you like being spanked" to "yeah, I like being spanked" and that be it. No, how do you like it (OTK, through clothes or bare, sweet spot, where to not hit, pace, need warmup and generally how long, any implements wanted or off limits, any...) and then they start going "I dunno, just do it?".
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"All the talking ruins the mood/fun". Yet same person will turn around and parrot the "communication is key" line.
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But it is, and here's an example... you know how someone interprets stuff like this.
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Honestly, I don't think very many actually "practices" this stuff (on purpose), they just say that they do. It's all romanticized e-clout writing anyway to describe "hey, don't be a dummy, dummy", like the obligatory warnings given before something like a roller-coaster that nobody reads and just presumes. Like, I've never had anyone ever ask me or heard of anyone else being asked "which one do you practice", it's only ever been just said at the beginning of a demo/class or dungeon rules out in the real world.

I have very strong limits on belts (personal trauma and will red at even the thought),certain parts of my body off limit to any impact. I will advise before a scene or anything even starts. That is part of my negotiation and is sacred. And if not seen you don't see me.

[Gi****]

Didn't mean to finish : talking doesn't ruin the mood/fun.it defines and makes it possible....and safe

[AlexinBoston]

Rack is the best for sure I think it lays down the foundation the best for successful kink

[Deleted Member]

PRICK. Personal responsibility is important; we both know what we’re signing up and it’s up to us to understand the risks and own them if they’re realized. That could include anything as simple as difficult emotional processing to an ***.

But what do I know, I’m just an edge player.

[ey****]

6 hours ago, sardonicus87 said:

Honestly, I don't think very many actually "practices" this stuff (on purpose), they just say that they do.

I believe you're probably right

and this doesn't necessarily mean they're bad people or dangerous players or anything like that.   Just that there is text-book speak which sounds good to repeat, but actually in practice it's not always the most effective.  

[Si****]

Let it rip bro