Opinions on feminization vs sissification

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I've heard some people say feminization is the same as sissification and I've heard other people say they love feminization but hate anything "sissy" related.

Personally, I don't really care about the terminology, but I feel like sissy kinks seem to lately have a handful of other kinks (that I don't find that appealing) piggybacking on top of the sissy kink.

I'm curious to hear other people's perspective. Specifically curious of a dominant perspective on the kink but also submissive perspectives as well

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I'm a switch with a sissy sub side. For me feminization is a part of sissification rather than the same kink.
For me sissification, is normally initially ***d by a more dominant partner, blackmail or ***, to degrade and humiliate the sub into subservience. Some submissives fight it whilst others take to becoming a sissy depending on their character. As a sissy you will normally be placed in chastity, to focus the sub on their dominants needs rather than their own orgasms, the sissy would normally be trained anally by either being constantly plugged or pegged with the end goal being the submissive achieving sissygasm and removing the need for them to be unlocked from chastity. The sissy would also be trained to be of service orally either sucking cock or licking pussy dependant on their dominants pleasure.
Although feminization forms part of the sissification of a sub. Feminization on its own doesn't necessarily mean the person would be into the kinks or lifestyle of the kinks listed above. Femisiation is just the making of a submissive for feminine because you might enjoy them more in pretty lingerie.

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I feel like that’s the best way to define a sissy vs femboy I actually enjoy the beauty in colorful vibrations for example I don’t think it’s the same for sissies who like to be humiliated by others but feminine energy is divinity in it’s nature and shouldn’t be degraded like that.

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1 hour ago, PrettyFemBoy said:

I feel like that’s the best way to define a sissy vs femboy I actually enjoy the beauty in colorful vibrations for example I don’t think it’s the same for sissies who like to be humiliated by others but feminine energy is divinity in it’s nature and shouldn’t be degraded like that.

Thank you for separating being feminine from *** 🙏

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To me I see it as sissification is more aimed at those who are already more feminine in their everyday lives and basically just want that extra push to embrace it. I have also noticed that many in that category tend to be very purmiscus and take much more risks sexually. They also tend to be “bedroom only “. Whereas feminisation training (which is what I went through) is taking someone who in all mannerisms (walk, talk, dress, sit etc etc) is masculine but have submissive tendencies. Then over a period of time they are slowly transitioned to develop more feminine traits and mannerisms. Those who are feminised tend to embrace many aspects on a full time basis. Maybe something small that is very subtle to the general public. Like a touch of mascara. Wearing lingerie under their usual attire. Even something like wearing similar clothes as previous. But instead of wearing men’s sizes. They wear women’s size. And unless you REALLY looked. You wouldn’t know. It those who are feminised that if both parties are in agreement of course that *** and *** play can hold a deeper effect and experience

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35 minutes ago, sissysubbttm said:

To me I see it as sissification is more aimed at those who are already more feminine in their everyday lives and basically just want that extra push to embrace it. I have also noticed that many in that category tend to be very purmiscus and take much more risks sexually. They also tend to be “bedroom only “. Whereas feminisation training (which is what I went through) is taking someone who in all mannerisms (walk, talk, dress, sit etc etc) is masculine but have submissive tendencies. Then over a period of time they are slowly transitioned to develop more feminine traits and mannerisms. Those who are feminised tend to embrace many aspects on a full time basis. Maybe something small that is very subtle to the general public. Like a touch of mascara. Wearing lingerie under their usual attire. Even something like wearing similar clothes as previous. But instead of wearing men’s sizes. They wear women’s size. And unless you REALLY looked. You wouldn’t know. It those who are feminised that if both parties are in agreement of course that *** and *** play can hold a deeper effect and experience

I really don't know how to take the fact that sissies believe that femininity and submission are somehow connected, and worst of all, that they expect us women to validate them in their feelings.

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10 hours ago, liliththedivine said:

I really don't know how to take the fact that sissies believe that femininity and submission are somehow connected, and worst of all, that they expect us women to validate them in their feelings.

This is kinda the feelings that I struggle with. Like I enjoy a bit of *** or embarrassment tied into my feminization fantasy, but not directly ingrained in it. Like being called feminine things makes my heart flutter in a way I don't think is humiliating or submissive. But then there's the "emasculation" aspect that I do find humiliating and puts me in a submissive mindset. Not necessarily that I find being feminized humiliating, but the *** of emasculation needs to come before the pleasure of feminization if that makes sense?
Then for more *** on top, there can be more "sluttification" on top of the feminization. Not that being made feminine is humiliating, but being made into a feminine sex object.
As much as some sissification can seem appealing, there are also times it looks like it's presented as a parody of femininity in a way that i don't know how to feel about
I'm trying to find a way to balance the *** kink and the feminization kink in a way that isn't reductive

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I think there is a kinda venn diagram between the two terms, but then a lot of folk use some interchangeably and also, I guess.... the intent of the person being transformed.

Sissification I normally see as some form of caricature. A lot of pink, ruffles, and frills.    Make up can also be quite loud. Sissies can often go one of a few different directions, I've seen some do both - so with "sissy training" some focusing on the whole "sissy slut" thing, you'll be cock sucker / cock sleeve - or play with other sissies etc - and then some with the kinda service and etiquette thing, courtesy, walking straight, high-quality maid service, etc.   And some overlap in both.  But a lot is very exaggerated and caricature like.  

Feminisation I normally see as... making look feminine. So clothing might be dresses, heels, etc. But the view is to make someone look more woman-like (for want of a better word) rather than the caricature nature of the sissy.

 

There can be overlap between the two.

And "intent" is a big thing.   There are some people use both or either as part of their own gender exploration.  Some just like wearing the clothing/make-up and want an excuse to.  Some see being a woman/feminine as 'better', some as an alternative version of themselves.   Some see it as wanting to strip away masculinity.

But then, alas, sadly there are also those who are misogynistic - that they see being a woman as 'lesser' or 'humiliating' and it plays right into that.  Then of course as above those who equate it as being submissive and there can be overlap but you can be a sissy, or feminised, without being a sub - and, moreso, and issue that they see women as submissive so that they have to appear as one in order to be submissive 

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4 hours ago, eyemblacksheep said:

I think there is a kinda venn diagram between the two terms, but then a lot of folk use some interchangeably and also, I guess.... the intent of the person being transformed.

Sissification I normally see as some form of caricature. A lot of pink, ruffles, and frills.    Make up can also be quite loud. Sissies can often go one of a few different directions, I've seen some do both - so with "sissy training" some focusing on the whole "sissy slut" thing, you'll be cock sucker / cock sleeve - or play with other sissies etc - and then some with the kinda service and etiquette thing, courtesy, walking straight, high-quality maid service, etc.   And some overlap in both.  But a lot is very exaggerated and caricature like.  

Feminisation I normally see as... making look feminine. So clothing might be dresses, heels, etc. But the view is to make someone look more woman-like (for want of a better word) rather than the caricature nature of the sissy.

 

There can be overlap between the two.

And "intent" is a big thing.   There are some people use both or either as part of their own gender exploration.  Some just like wearing the clothing/make-up and want an excuse to.  Some see being a woman/feminine as 'better', some as an alternative version of themselves.   Some see it as wanting to strip away masculinity.

But then, alas, sadly there are also those who are misogynistic - that they see being a woman as 'lesser' or 'humiliating' and it plays right into that.  Then of course as above those who equate it as being submissive and there can be overlap but you can be a sissy, or feminised, without being a sub - and, moreso, and issue that they see women as submissive so that they have to appear as one in order to be submissive 

This is why I always ask subs where their submission comes from. If they include "femininity" or "emasculation" in their answers, I immediately pass on them.
Oh and we could also talk about how many of these sissies don't even consider that a straight woman like me isn't going to be attracted to a man who has taken the physical attributes of a hypersexualized female persona - somehow I'm supposed to change sexual orientation to accommodate their sexual fetish. There isn't even a female equivalent for this. How many straight men would act open-minded if their girlfriend came one day saying she wants to grow a beard and shave her head? How many of them would "accept her just the way she is"?
There's absolutely no reason why sissification should be part of female domination. It's a specific male fetish that has been imposed upon us.

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11 hours ago, liliththedivine said:

How many straight men would act open-minded if their girlfriend came one day saying she wants to grow a beard and shave her head? How many of them would "accept her just the way she is"?
There's absolutely no reason why sissification should be part of female domination. It's a specific male fetish that has been imposed upon us.

I think this is something major for a lot of men to understand, and that if there is a partner who will help them in anyway, it's usually to help them with their fetish and not really an extension of submission

I guess in pro circles it is sometimes slightly different - as those they are playing with are not a romantic partner - dressing up men in frilly clothing and having them suck each others cocks for entertainment AND get paid for it?! Oh, that last bit makes it more worthwhile. 

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Yesterday at 01:18 PM, liliththedivine said:

This is why I always ask subs where their submission comes from. If they include "femininity" or "emasculation" in their answers, I immediately pass on them.
Oh and we could also talk about how many of these sissies don't even consider that a straight woman like me isn't going to be attracted to a man who has taken the physical attributes of a hypersexualized female persona - somehow I'm supposed to change sexual orientation to accommodate their sexual fetish. There isn't even a female equivalent for this. How many straight men would act open-minded if their girlfriend came one day saying she wants to grow a beard and shave her head? How many of them would "accept her just the way she is"?
There's absolutely no reason why sissification should be part of female domination. It's a specific male fetish that has been imposed upon us.

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A Dom dont need sissification but they need a Dom.
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It is not a part of female domination in general, but it can be a part.
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And If one has this fetish, he needs a matching part.
My Submission comes from, im to hard and locked that away...
Feminization, she dit that to me...im not a sissy.
And i accept her, what ever she do. But she dont wanted me to accept, she loves to Fight.
So she left me, and i accept that too...
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Long Story in short words:
If you are the dominant one, tell what you wanna and what not. Maybe deSissyfication becomes to be a thing...
Im good in deSub Woman, but thats a other story.
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Greatz from Germany

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3 hours ago, JaN1na said:

A Dom dont need sissification but they need a Dom.

do they?

I guess in these cases it then becomes a case of asking how this benefits the other person?

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20 minutes ago, eyemblacksheep said:

do they?

I guess in these cases it then becomes a case of asking how this benefits the other person?

Or needs that fit together.
I have a hard time to explain, i dont Like *** but i cant be without...
So i guess, to explain benefits will be a Nightmare. Special after so mutch *** from the oposite side.
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Is fication some one makes you do that? Then you need a ... for it, right?
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I need to train my english Skills a bit more😉

[ka****]

Sissy here any fem doms wanna do whatever to me