Submission and consent

[sl****]

How can you have true submission and also have consent at the same time?

[Dns485]

I think it comes down to the parties involved. If you have 2 (or more) people who understand that your consent is given the moment you submit then I think that's how it would work. But you have to trust the person whom you're giving your whole life to and submitting to. Just my take.

[Mi****]

You consent to submit to someone. Case closed.

[sm****]

Because submission means you choose if you don’t have a choice then that’s just slavery huge difference

[yo****]

Discussing it before hand, identifying boundaries and what is consented, use a safe word, respect them…. If you do all these you can gain true submission but with respect and consent. Hope that helps

[Ja****]

Consent is freely giving permission to engage in any activity submission only happens ethically after consent is given and continually sustained.

It’s not one or the other.

[yo****]

Discussing hard limits and boundaries beforehand is key. Make sure you both clearly define what’s consented to, establish a safe word, and always respect it. When that groundwork and trust are built early on, true submission can happen within the safety of ongoing consent. Hope that helps!

[Re****]

Cnc is a thing. Not one of mine but this is why safe words exist. Set one up, get permission. Safe word gets called stop immediately and prep aftercare

[Si****]

By having their true trust and respect. In a sub/dom dynamic a sub is the one holding all the power and she gives it to the Dom that she trusts/respects out of free will knowing that he will not *** it.

More or less you answered your own question. Their true submission is also their consent…of sorts. (Communication and discussion is what sets some consent boundaries of course)
But when you are her safe place true submission isnt hard to obtain.

[Ma****]

My first question would be: how do you define “true submission”? In my experience, even in a Master/slave dynamic, there’s always an element of consent and negotiation, at least at the beginning. I’ve had partners who were deeply and genuinely submissive without ever giving up their free will or compromising their consent or boundaries.

For me, consent is king. There’s nothing more important in any relationship, kink or otherwise. With that said, I’ve never practiced, nor do I have a desire to practice, a Total Power Exchange (TPE). I’m not knocking it, it’s simply not my cup of tea.

[Deleted Member]

Two very different things, consent means that you both agree to do things, which means she or he could be a dom and u a sub. Being submissive is just enjoying getting told what to do and all that, too deep of a rabbit whole for me to type.

[Mz****]

So the question becomes, what is true submission? There is no true submission?.

[ol****]

This question gives off 🚩🚩🚩

[bb****]

Consent without it being informed consent is not consent. Just saying.

[Mz****]

What I mean by there is no true submission is that everyone has some autonomy you do not submit completely to anyone or shall I say I as a dominant woman, I have no desire to have a submissive turning into a doormat and also I want someone that has some self actualization and to actually be in this dynamic with critical thinking skills .

[Pa****]

Submission does not mean being subjected

[ma****]

Maybe where safe words are so important, if at any point a limit has been reached it should be safe enough for the sub to say. A lot of ground work is needed for a sub to have the confidence to say something

[ey****]

"True" is one of the most misused phrases.  The question here is what does submission look like to you.

When it comes to consent there's some very simple trenches

like trench one, you only do activities which have been consented to. Fair

trench two is you abstain from activities which are marked as limits. Fair. Oh, and anything can be added as a limit since the whole limit process is non-exhaustive.

trench three... is the whole consensual non consent if you're consenting to give up consent.  In that case there does need to be the level of trust the other person wouldn't go too far.

[On****]

I agree there are red flags here, in the interest of learning submission and power exchange is NOT without negociated boundaries, and respect of those boundaries.

[DH****]

Submission exists in the present, and consent needs to be updated whenever a partner feels self-doubtful enough to express themselves. Safe words are a simple way to ensure boundaries work both ways - I believe what my old thrall taught me in a masterfully gentle manner...
the partner who chooses to submit ends up deciding where the limits lay, in their half of the power dynamic.

[Deleted Member]

Keep it simple like playing a round monopoly. Consent are the rules of the game. If you cheat the others don't like it .You lose and you are out. Submission is if you draw always a jail card and have to stay in prison for three rounds. You will lose , but still an acceptable player in the game. You can't win the game but you are still in and go ahead with a get free card and have fun. When you break the rules no one wants to play with you.

[Deleted Member]

in this context they go hand in hand imo.
would you submit to someone you wouldnt give consent?

[Li****]

you sound like a walking red flag and dont deserve to call yourself a dom.

just because someone is submissive doesnt mean they give up their body and consent.

a real true dom knows that the sub holds the power.

[DJ****]

By setting boundaries before hand of what is or isn’t wanted taking beforehand to really understand each other

[su****]

Sub gives "metaconsent", Dom can do anything, mouth gag so no safe word, ... of course if sub is badly harmed and police or doctors are involved, dom will have troubles...