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9 hours ago, ***hen said:

Indeed. We all sin. But the atonement for all sins is in Jesus' hands, which are reached out to all in offering. All you have to do is accept it from Him. The only unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, which is synonymous with the rejection of His offering to pay the debt from all your other sins.

We can and should try to be better people but we all fall short of His glory, regardless of how perfect we try to be. He knows that and forgives us regardless.

Kink doesn't really even seem to matter even if we didn't have His salvation. Not much is said about sex in the Bible. Far be it from me to claim to know what God thinks, but in the book of Proverbs there is a list of seven things that God hates. Slander is five of them and kink is nowhere to be found. I don't think it's that important, what matters is whether you accept Christ in your heart.

Ahhh yes, the reason why we can sub so freely, all you have to do is ask for forgiveness lol I myself am a legally ordained satanic high priest of theistic satanism, so none of this applies to me. I enjoy my delights in peace and free from the moral code known as sin.

1 hour ago, mount-pleasant31985 said:

Ahhh yes, the reason why we can sub so freely, all you have to do is ask for forgiveness lol I myself am a legally ordained satanic high priest of theistic satanism, so none of this applies to me. I enjoy my delights in peace and free from the moral code known as sin.

I hope for your sake you're right.

Organized religion was created by man and created rules to keep you from leaving, they use God to manipulate and control youractions. You are perfect the was God made you. God accept all that you are.
Well, I do think there's someone for everyone. I think there's someone out there that shares our kinks and also believes in what we believe as far as faith and has our values. You are not alone. Our other half is out there. Their sexual desire will match ours. And yes, we can still be Christian, our love/sex life is between us and our future spouse.
It states in the Bible that a woman should be submissive to her husband. Now, man's law has changed what a husband is, but being kinky is not a sin.
5 hours ago, KinkDaddy78254 said:
It states in the Bible that a woman should be submissive to her husband. Now, man's law has changed what a husband is, but being kinky is not a sin.

And what about the people that prefer domme women then

6 hours ago, serenegsb said:

And what about the people that prefer domme women then

Or just not be so literal with stories intended to be allegory....

For monogamous Christians, kinks are great opportunities to trust and love each for our whole selves, in a similar way to how God loves us. Just my 2 cents
I consider myself a Christian and I do not personally have moral issues with my own personal preferences/kinks. We were given our bodies and the stewardship and agency to do with them what we will. When our bodies were created we were given pleasure inducing gifts with them. If you feel that the things that bring your body pleasure are interrupting your spiritual relationship with God it may be time to do some analysis with a spiritual leader or therapist. Personally I say do what makes you feel safe, comfortable and good about yourself when it's done and you will be fine
I am facing the same dilemma. I find there is no conflict between kink and Christianity if you are in a marriage. My problem is being single makes it difficult to find another Christian in the lifestyle
12 hours ago, niagara-falls74697 said:
I am facing the same dilemma. I find there is no conflict between kink and Christianity if you are in a marriage. My problem is being single makes it difficult to find another Christian in the lifestyle

It depends on your doctrine. At it's heart, if you're not having sex for the purpose of procreation, Yahweh doesn't like it. There have been many new doctrines pop up trying to soften Yahweh's judgement. The question comes down to dogma, if you really think Yahweh will change his stance and bend to our will because we say so...

50 minutes ago, CasualPlay said:

It depends on your doctrine. At it's heart, if you're not having sex for the purpose of procreation, Yahweh doesn't like it. There have been many new doctrines pop up trying to soften Yahweh's judgement. The question comes down to dogma, if you really think Yahweh will change his stance and bend to our will because we say so...

There are verses ***tered through the Bible that directly negate that thought process. If we were not meant to enjoy our bodies and the gifts we were given for pleasure then why make it pleasurable when creating the body? Many other species of mammals do not have pleasurable sex and in the *** world it IS only for procreation. Food for thought

1 hour ago, richland11693 said:

There are verses ***tered through the Bible that directly negate that thought process. If we were not meant to enjoy our bodies and the gifts we were given for pleasure then why make it pleasurable when creating the body? Many other species of mammals do not have pleasurable sex and in the *** world it IS only for procreation. Food for thought

I've seen plenty of homosexual activity in the *** kingdom to negate THAT thought. 😄 Religion has always been a hazy subject for exactly that reason. The key factor is what version of said scripture you're reading. I can take a standard King James Bible and use scripture to contradict every verse. The Bible has been rewritten MANY times, on top of being compiled over a century after the supposed life and death of Jesus. The contradiction didn't set well with me when I WAS active in the faith and winning church camp preaching competitions.😏

1 hour ago, richland11693 said:

There are verses ***tered through the Bible that directly negate that thought process. If we were not meant to enjoy our bodies and the gifts we were given for pleasure then why make it pleasurable when creating the body? Many other species of mammals do not have pleasurable sex and in the *** world it IS only for procreation. Food for thought

To your other argument, Why would God create the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and then tell Adam and Eve not to touch it? Why would God put Job, his most faithful subject through everything HE went through. Yahweh's just sadistic like that.😆

Casual play taking into account that a man has wet dreams because he gets married to his wife and they become one body then isn't Godly not have a wet dream about lustful desires for another woman which is demonic . I think having a wife is an extension of God's love towards mortal pleasures and desires,if only for love then sin is not found
49 minutes ago, lokin4sub said:
Casual play taking into account that a man has wet dreams because he gets married to his wife and they become one body then isn't Godly not have a wet dream about lustful desires for another woman which is demonic . I think having a wife is an extension of God's love towards mortal pleasures and desires,if only for love then sin is not found

Lust is the key word. Is it not one of the seven deadly sins? This is from medieval interpretations of the scriptures, which I believe illustrates my larger point.😉 I don't make these arguments as a believer, but as one who had been a believer and made a scholarly effort to understand the message beyond the words. Man is fallible, and therefore anything of man(including scripture) is as fallible as man. Regardless of what scripture you read, the Yahweh I've studied is not a forgiving, loving father. This image of Yahweh appears with the rise of Christianity and the belief that we have the power to decide who God is. This conversation is exactly why Christians fight even amongst themselves over everything they don't like about what has been written. If we can change Yahweh's stance by rewriting the scripture, what's the point in worshipping him at all?

7 hours ago, CasualPlay said:

To your other argument, Why would God create the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and then tell Adam and Eve not to touch it? Why would God put Job, his most faithful subject through everything HE went through. Yahweh's just sadistic like that.😆

I happen to share the same views of the Bible. I understand now that you were more than likely being facetious in your previous comment. If I didn't know better I would actually dare say you got what you wanted, which would be a response. Hopefully you have a great evening!

I feel exactly the same way. I’m very conflicted with my interests and this.
Monday at 11:13 PM, richland11693 said:

I happen to share the same views of the Bible. I understand now that you were more than likely being facetious in your previous comment. If I didn't know better I would actually dare say you got what you wanted, which would be a response. Hopefully you have a great evening!

No nothing facetious in my statement. Overcoming temptation, and the consequences for failing is KINDA the overlying theme of ALL the scriptures. The sadism of Yahweh is repeated throughout the ENTIRE story for all to see.

Has anybody heard of the organization? Promisekeepers. I remember our local chapter when I was in high school and working for a banquet hall. They used to hold their monthly meetings there. Anyway, they are a very religious organization. I had forgotten them until a couple of weekends ago. I attended a Promisekeepers wedding. Listening to their vows sounded pretty close to a collating ceremony. She didn't say I do, she said, I consent. At the dinner, she got up and fixed the grooms plate,offered it to him, and then sat down to his left. She was always to his left. After all the guests were served, he told her she could fix a plate for herself. She didnt eat until he gave her permission. I remembered this same thing all those years ago. The wives fixed a plate for their husbands but not themselves until all the men were feed.
3 hours ago, NotWorthyofLove said:
Has anybody heard of the organization? Promisekeepers. I remember our local chapter when I was in high school and working for a banquet hall. They used to hold their monthly meetings there. Anyway, they are a very religious organization. I had forgotten them until a couple of weekends ago. I attended a Promisekeepers wedding. Listening to their vows sounded pretty close to a collating ceremony. She didn't say I do, she said, I consent. At the dinner, she got up and fixed the grooms plate,offered it to him, and then sat down to his left. She was always to his left. After all the guests were served, he told her she could fix a plate for herself. She didnt eat until he gave her permission. I remembered this same thing all those years ago. The wives fixed a plate for their husbands but not themselves until all the men were feed.

Yes my father participated in that when I was young. The subservience of women takes precedence from the opening words of the creation story to the closing words of revelation. In fact, in the original texts Eve was the SECOND woman God created. His first attempt, Lilith, was too headstrong and willful to obey Adam. So God banished her and created Eve from Adams rib to ensure her subservience. Right out of the gate, women are intended to serve men. I'd say that just about says it all.😂

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