The Architecture of Silence: Submissive Resistance or Lack of Depth?

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20 minutes ago, AKA_Copper said:

 

Thanks Eyem, I'd rather not spend my time interacting with something written by a robot, will take more notice in future.

to credit. sometimes I can see value in someone using AI as a conversational piece.  But I think for me - the issues were around it being about the importance of communication, but not his words nor really proof read.  

 

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25 minutes ago, eyemblacksheep said:

to credit. sometimes I can see value in someone using AI as a conversational piece.  But I think for me - the issues were around it being about the importance of communication, but not his words nor really proof read.  

 

Yeah a lack of proof reading annoys me when i see it at work. I'll always return it to the individual when it's clearly AI and ask that they rewrite in their own words otherwise they get deskilled in their own knowledge/skills which places us (and the individual they're working with) potentially at risk because you can bet your bottom dollar that it's got a bias somewhere which they've overlooked

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Being a good top means you have chats with those you’re responsible for about how they’re doing, what’s working and not working for them, and if they need space.

Silence is symptomatic.

Maybe there’s something going on with them.

Maybe they’re bored.

No one under you owes you anything just because you’re in charge. Work for the relationship. As we do. You know?

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Chat gpt.....

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So your sub left you on read? Maybe they are having difficulty expressing/identifying a boundary and just need to work it out. Being a Dom is about knowing what makes your sub tick and using that to harness and channel their sexuality, it's not just about obedience.

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For me, the issue here isn’t silence itself. It’s context and intent

True submission isn’t afraid of silence, but it does not leave silence unowned. A submissive needing space is one thing. Disappearing after a direct command while remaining socially active is another entirely. The first is self regulation. The second is a fracture in the dynamic

A 24 hour disappearance is rarely “bratty resistance”… Brat behaviour still seeks engagement. What this usually signals is avoidance, or a lack of capacity to hold the depth that’s being offered. When real vulnerability is invited, some people don’t push back. They withdraw

A Dominant’s patience only has value when it’s met with reciprocal presence. When patience is answered with ambiguity, it stops being nurturing and becomes an energy leak. For me, the line is clear. If a command is left hanging while the submissive remains active elsewhere, the issue is no longer time. It’s priority…

Silence can be a powerful tool, but only when it’s conscious and negotiated. Unexplained silence isn’t power play. It’s emotional disengagement. Submission may be quiet, but it is never absent

Sometimes the most grounded expression of dominance isn’t holding on. It’s knowing when to cut the rope. Not as punishment, but as self-respect

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Chat gpt generated replies are so incredibly easy to spot by the semantic logic in every reply...pls post original comments?

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2 hours ago, clear_spring said:

Chat gpt generated replies are so incredibly easy to spot by the semantic logic in every reply...pls post original comments?

sometimes I get tempted to answer the blatantly AI forum posts with AI, and don't. But then half wonder how far we are from a thread where OP and most responses are all AI based 

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2 hours ago, TomWhttt said:

For me, the issue here isn’t silence itself. It’s context and intent

True submission isn’t afraid of silence, but it does not leave silence unowned. A submissive needing space is one thing. Disappearing after a direct command while remaining socially active is another entirely. The first is self regulation. The second is a fracture in the dynamic

A 24 hour disappearance is rarely “bratty resistance”… Brat behaviour still seeks engagement. What this usually signals is avoidance, or a lack of capacity to hold the depth that’s being offered. When real vulnerability is invited, some people don’t push back. They withdraw

A Dominant’s patience only has value when it’s met with reciprocal presence. When patience is answered with ambiguity, it stops being nurturing and becomes an energy leak. For me, the line is clear. If a command is left hanging while the submissive remains active elsewhere, the issue is no longer time. It’s priority…

Silence can be a powerful tool, but only when it’s conscious and negotiated. Unexplained silence isn’t power play. It’s emotional disengagement. Submission may be quiet, but it is never absent

Sometimes the most grounded expression of dominance isn’t holding on. It’s knowing when to cut the rope. Not as punishment, but as self-respect

Pretty much every single post and reply by the OP is LLM assisted

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*translation* I made a demand (not command) that was outside a subs boundaries, so she stopped talking to me. But I identify as a "dom" so that gives me the right to tell anyone who identifies as a sub what to do, so why would she do that?

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6 hours ago, rottenluck said:

*translation* I made a demand (not command) that was outside a subs boundaries, so she stopped talking to me. But I identify as a "dom" so that gives me the right to tell anyone who identifies as a sub what to do, so why would she do that?

Demand versus command — that’s a whole ass topic right there.

I love the guys (and it’s always guys) who are like “I am Sir Trystram” on first meeting someone and then literally expect to be addressed as “sir” after that.

Like… did the queen knight you? No? Then fuck right off.

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1 hour ago, onecrow said:

Demand versus command — that’s a whole ass topic right there.

I love the guys (and it’s always guys) who are like “I am Sir Trystram” on first meeting someone and then literally expect to be addressed as “sir” after that.

Like… did the queen knight you? No? Then fuck right off.

Exactly. There's a lot to unpack there, but yeah. An unfortunate side effect of having a dating app so kink focused is the attitude that I keep seeing of "Me dom, you sub, you do what I say because i say."
Something a lot of guys on here don't seem to realize is that proclaiming yourself to be a dom does not automatically grant you submission from anyone identifying as a sub.

The sub is the one that is truly in control of a dynamic, because the sub is the one that chooses to give the dom their submission, but most "doms" on here aren't ready for that conversion.

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13 minutes ago, rottenluck said:

The sub is the one that is truly in control of a dynamic, because the sub is the one that chooses to give the dom their submission, but most "doms" on here aren't ready for that conversion.

this is one of the old myths that needs to die.

So, whilst yes of course - the sub 'chooses' their Dominant and sets their limits, boundaries, etc etc etc etc.... so does the Dominant.  Dominants shouldn't be sat around waiting to be "picked" and making do with whoever chooses them... Dominants have their own likes, wants, limits, boundaries, etc etc.  

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1 hour ago, eyemblacksheep said:

this is one of the old myths that needs to die.

So, whilst yes of course - the sub 'chooses' their Dominant and sets their limits, boundaries, etc etc etc etc.... so does the Dominant.  Dominants shouldn't be sat around waiting to be "picked" and making do with whoever chooses them... Dominants have their own likes, wants, limits, boundaries, etc etc.  

I don’t think that’s what’s being said.

And I don’t think it’s a myth. Consent is power. Without consent there’s no relationship.

You’re right that the dominant also has that power, but that’s independent power not power between two people.

Once a dom and a sub are at the table, the ultimate “yes I consent to yield” lies in the hands of the sub, and that can be revoked at any time.

Without that there is no relationship so the power is always in the sub’s hands.

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15 minutes ago, onecrow said:

Once a dom and a sub are at the table, the ultimate “yes I consent to yield” lies in the hands of the sub, and that can be revoked at any time.

Without that there is no relationship so the power is always in the sub’s hands.

At the same time.   The Dominant has the right to say no.  The Dominant can also revoke consent at any time.  The Dominant can also lay out their own likes, dislikes, boundaries, limits - and these are also changeable.

They also have the power to enter the relationship and to also end it any time.

 

 

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32 minutes ago, eyemblacksheep said:

At the same time.   The Dominant has the right to say no.  The Dominant can also revoke consent at any time.  The Dominant can also lay out their own likes, dislikes, boundaries, limits - and these are also changeable.

They also have the power to enter the relationship and to also end it any time.

 

 

No one is saying that the dom has no choice in consent. Consent is obviously needed from both parties. My original comment is referring to doms that seem to think having "submissive" on a profile equals consent

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8 hours ago, onecrow said:

Demand versus command — that’s a whole ass topic right there.

I love the guys (and it’s always guys) who are like “I am Sir Trystram” on first meeting someone and then literally expect to be addressed as “sir” after that.

Like… did the queen knight you? No? Then fuck right off.

I am the opposite. If someone addresses me as Mistress or Goddess I tell them no. I ahve not consented to a dynamic with you so no honorifics.

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4 hours ago, eyemblacksheep said:

At the same time.   The Dominant has the right to say no.  The Dominant can also revoke consent at any time.  The Dominant can also lay out their own likes, dislikes, boundaries, limits - and these are also changeable.

They also have the power to enter the relationship and to also end it any time.

 

 

This. A dominant needs to lay out all their own boundaries and limits to a sub. Bottoms and subs can 100% be dangerous. You as a dom home responsibility for all sorts of things in an interaction. A sub who says they have No Limits, delete. A sub who makes you repaonsible for risk by withholding info, delete

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2 hours ago, clear_spring said:

I am the opposite. If someone addresses me as Mistress or Goddess I tell them no. I ahve not consented to a dynamic with you so no honorifics.

Right and that’s the other part of it. Very often that’s a title that’s earned, for the sub/etc.

For the very reason you say among others.
It implies obligation, connection. Consent.

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9 hours ago, onecrow said:

Right and that’s the other part of it. Very often that’s a title that’s earned, for the sub/etc.

Not always sure earned is the right word (but dynamic specific)

But, like - pretty much every scenario is reversable

sub walks up to a Dominant, starts using "Mistress", "Sir", etc - the Dominant has full control over whether they like the immediate honorific, or whether it's reserved for those in a dynamic with them - and even when in a Dynamic, which honorific they prefer - or must be used (Mistress, Princess, Goddess, etc....... Sir, Master, Daddy etc.....) 

likewise it's reversable if a Dominant walked up to someone and starts using slut, slave, pig, etc. and even when in a dynamic, there are preferences. 

And like anyone walks up to someone and proposes playing, the other person always has the flat out option of saying no.  And if it is a yes, then while of course the sub has likes, limits, boundaries, etc. the Dominant still, ultimately also does and - like, you go to a Femdom event and be "oh, can we play" and she says "Yes, that's what I'm in the mood for" there is no real scope here - you accept what the Dominant lays out, or you do not play.  

And yeah, sure, you start play - like cuff the sub up... there's a great deal of trust needed here because of course the sub can call "change toy", "stop", safeword, etc.   but actually in that second they cannot do much if the Dominant doesn't.  I mean, sure, "oh that's ***, that's not consent, yada yada" (context applies) but the Dominant still has the ultimate control there which the sub is relying on them to do the right thing.  And if the sub decides to start backchatting mid scene, the Dominant can literally walk off.  They have more control in ending the scene.

And I've seen that happen - sub ***es of Domme, Domme stops. Walks off, and points at someone else to uncuff them.  It's situations like this (and others) where it's evident the sub doesn't have the control they might think.  The case I'm thinking of the sub was angling for harder, or more punishment - ended up getting nothing.