Safety and Respect

[TheZenCommander]

22 hours ago, Shilo66 said:

LOL, you have consistently strongly implied that Clare's Law is not very effective... your statements are still there for ALL to read. 

Trying to back peddle now is not going to cut any ice with anyone.

Obviously, I don't mind conversations like these, because it means that more and more people, will look up Clare's Law just to see what all the fuss is about. And of the people who will look it up, will be those who will find it useful either for themselves, or, for some people they know.  

LOL, despite your best attempts, you have inadvertently helped to spread the word about Clare's Law, so I thank you. 

And, you really should do your research before commenting and making yourself look, erm... the way you're looking now... 

You see, the VAWG you talk about, and your other statement that women and g1rls voices are not being listened to... Clare's law is a direct response to that.

The clue is in the name... CLARE'S LAW, not Fred's law or David's law, but CLARE'S!!!

Clare's Law was spear-headed by her mom, after her daughter, Clare, was unalived by her (Clare's) partner who had convictions for SA and DV. 

Clare's mom argued that had her daaaughter known about them, she would have left him. Other women who had also been veectims of SA and DV, came forward with the same complaint that they should have been told about such histories. You know why?.. BECAUSE AT THAT TIME, the police and other law enfourcement agencies were not allowed to divulge such information. Clare's mom, along with other campaainers, fought long and hard to get this exception to the law made. 

So, what was it you were saying about women and g1rls voices not being heard???????? 

 

 

  

Let me say something that might help.....

People should report, AND reporting is not effective enough to be the whole solution to the problem. Both are true.

You're failing to hear or acknowledge the experience of people who have lived it.

[Shilo66]

@TheZenCommander again, you are incorrect. This was the original question. 

On 5/1/2026 at 6:50 PM, M134 said:

What do men do to address our rampant culture of domestic vi@lence? 

I, because I'm a man, then replied that we can make more people aware of CLARE'S LAW. A Law in the UK specifically designed to address this very issue of DV and SA.

Whereas, you, didn’t even try to supply a realistic, practical, or workable suggestion or solution, like I did.

Solutions wise, the best you and @AKA_Copper could come up with, was to say that "men should behave better." Basically, just a wish.

All you've done on this thread, is rant, vent, made insinuations, cast aspersions, and 'put-down' all of the realistic and practical ways mentioned to address the OP's original question. Whilst at the same time, have offered nothing of your own that's even remotely workable, logical...or realistic.

So, given all the above, how on earth do you expect your 'wish' to come true!?

You've gone on about reporting not being enough, but have consistently  failed to suggest any other way a SA or DV problem could be recognised in the eyes of the law.

The law, in whatever country, isn't going to just act on your 'say-so' about a subject. It needs reports, proof and evidence, otherwise without these, how is it LEGALLY supposed to see that there's a problem? Without these, how is it supposed to get convictions?

 

On 5/6/2026 at 2:03 PM, TheZenCommander said:

 

[M1****]

Yesterday at 01:13 AM, TheZenCommander said:

Sending so much love and healing to you. What a terrible tragedy. I'm so sorry for your loss.

Thank you. Im struggling bad atm and am falling apart. Im getting there

[FE****]

Mod Note:

Despite previous warnings, people are still trying to dig at each other rather than have a constructive debate.

I removed certain sections of some recent posts (trying to leave in the substantive elements whilst removing the jibes and insults) on both sides.

This is the final warning, argue your points but don't get into personal insults or your posts will be removed and escalations actioned.

[AKA_Copper]

22 hours ago, Shilo66 said:

@TheZenCommander again, you are incorrect. This was the original question. 

Jo Shaw' ex ***d his way into her house with an explosive device which went off. They both d1ed.
The case has been referred to the IOPC wanna know why? Jo had been reporting to the police the DA incidents she had been experiencing with him for a long time. Theybwere both well known to the authorities. This was after she'd left the relationship, changed her phone number and moved address. She subsequently reported that she beleived that he was trying to harm her.
The police took no action.
So you can tell us to make use of Clares law, leave a DA relationship, got to an IDVA/Police and get a non mole , do this, do that. Women are still dy1ng despite doing everything right.

How many arrests have been made following CNN's report on one global r@pe academy? Is the website still up and running with that particular area of it active? Rhetorical, I know the answers.

We report and we aren't beleived as evidenced by one victim whose husband drugg3d and then r@ped her was told by the police - Well, we can't use that, that isn't clear evidence, because it looks like you're pretending to be asleep.’

Let's not forget the Rotherham grooming gang which went on for decades with numerous agencies being aware of what was happening (you can read the Jay report) but those in positions to do something about it framed the situation as the g1rls being sex workers, undesirables and being blamed for the cr1mes committed against them with professionals suggesting that the g1rls were consenting to the r@pe. A reminder that all those involved (other than the perpetrators) were minors and unable to consent legally.

These are not isolated incidents but a recurring systemic problem.

You can shout as much as youbwant avout all the things women and g1rls can do to keep ourselves safe. We already know them because we're told about them from an early age. They're ingrained in us.

We can report but, unless we're the perfect v1ctim, there won't be a Charge brought.

This does not change until men decide to change. Until the decent men out there speak up and challenge those that aren't which is literally the point of the OP. Until VAWG is actually a priority for govts. laws and systems are changed and women are believed.