:1778253856,6491237, There must be consent by both parties w a very detailed conversation about the situation and circumstances to a great detail and mutual agreement between both parties must be there and clearly communicated. Without having that it could be misinterpreted or Read more… misunderstood by either of you and may be *** in its truest form. Which is why as a Dom male I find it very interesting so many wanna have these discussions online and be treated like a slut without having those discussions about the details and circumstances at hand. I understand it’s all in fun but you’re allowing people to do things to you online that you’d never allow in real life then you’re kidding yourself because you’re telling men it’s okay. When they meet someone in real life they do what they’ve learned here then they find themselves in trouble so I’d say treat them equally and hold them to the same standards on both counts. Just my 2 cents

I think you severely underestimate the amount of men on here that pretend to be women.

But also, there is NOTHING A WOMAN CAN SAY OR DO OR WEAR THAT JUSTIFIES ASS4ULT! Period.

If you believe that being vocally sexual in what they think is a safe place is a reason for vi0lence, then you too are part of the problem.

Let me say something that might help.....

People should report, AND reporting is not effective enough to be the whole solution to the problem. Both are true.

You're failing to hear or acknowledge the experience of people who have lived it.

:1778015704,5019263, “I feel like” blah blah - my friend was ***ed by her partner last weekend, so thats why i was talking to men

It seems youre more interested in perpetuating r@pe culture…but, weak men bow in submission to violent ignorant men…but we see your virtue Read more… signaling to males.

Sending so much love and healing to you. What a terrible tragedy. I'm so sorry for your loss.

:1778000485,1986691,

I didn't say anything to her because she is a woman struggling with her own trauma in her own way. I have a lot of empathy for that struggle. Many of us know it well. But you, you have shown your teeth. We know Read more… what kind of guy you are. You're not an ally, you're not a nice guy, and you're not safe. You're the wolf in sheep's clothing that we all know so well already. But you don't want to look at that so you lash out at me for telling you systems are flawed, not enough. You twist my words to fit your narrative. What will you do, how will you act when this kind of tragedy falls on your doorstep? You'll tell your daughter, ***, cousin to go report and when they come back still feeling unsafe, you'll talk to them like this? What would it take for you to stop and listen to women?

:1778003819,1200902,
Neither @TheZenCommander nor I suggested to anyone that they do not make use of Clares law nor did we make a blanket statement that it doesn't work. What we said was, it has its faults, shouldnt be relied upon and quite frankly it Read more… shouldn't be required in the first place. Men should be able to act like decent people.

Out of interest, how many women have you worked with/supported that have experienced male v1olence be that DA or SA. What's your experience of such incidents that gives you so much insight into VAWG to feel so confident in shouting people with that experience down?

The reason VAWG is so prevalent is that women and g1rls are not listened to, not believed and the voice of the male is still louder than ours as evidenced within this thread where you have a man clearly displaying misogynistic/violent behaviour towards others and no apparent comeuppance evident.

👏👏👏 100%

:1777950402,7022728, The zen commander not near hot enough to matter lol, I do care, I never would hurt a woman and I teach my boys to always respect women, My daughter knows If anyone hurts her I will take care of it, my point is, This post is allllll about the author showing Read more… 'what a swell guy he is". Zen commander you are obviously full of man hate, keep it to yourself "Zen commander " lol what a joke, real men will defend and honor real women and teach our kids as well, I love that Zen commander checked me out them blocked me, I'm not awful, U just see through BS post, sorry I'm smarter than you oh fem gawd

One must go to someone's profile to block them. I didn't check you out. you exposed yourself, so I simply made sure you can never appear in my DMs. But please, keep exposing what a nice guy you are here. 🤣 I'm sure the other ladies reading this are swarming to your inbox with excitement.

:1777914480,7022728, I feel like the author is virtue signalling, "hey I'm a good guy, I'm concerned about these darn men!". News flash, don't do it and teach your kids not to do it. My ex got arrested for hitting my whole I was holding our child so stop making it a toxic male Read more… thing, grow up, this post is nothing about awareness and more about "awwww he cares!"

But you took the opportunity to show us that you don't care. "Grow up" he says. Which is what? The opposite of virtue signaling? Showing us how awful you are? Thanks. Now we know to avoid you too.

:1777711514,4630267, I dunno, fellas. I get that a man can be ***d by a man, but you guys are talking about being ***d by a woman, right? I have questions… but I’m going to let it go and assume you just handled the trauma well enough to get a chubby and do the deed.

As a man, Read more… I am never concerned about meeting a woman I met online. If I am worried about anything, it’s some kind of setup involving a man she is in cahoots with. I am also curious about all this female on male DV.. I think we can all agree that men are generally larger and stronger. If I am being wrongfully attacked by a woman she is going to be pacified with *** if that is the only way, and then I’m calling the police myself to haul her off.

Which brings me to my next point… people need to start trusting the police and calling on them at the first sign of trouble. They’re ordinary people doing an important and hard and dangerous and unappreciated job. If everyone called the police and pressed charges like they know they should, we probably wouldn’t be having this discussion. Because all the DV folks would be behind bars and when they got out, they’d know they’re going back the first time they hit a woman.. that is, in a world where everyone calls the police and presses charges. Not the world we live in, unfortunately.

That is not to say I am without sympathy for the victims. Some men out there have been practicing the art of manipulation since puberty, and they’ve gotten pretty good at it. I’ve known sociopaths like this, and I’ve known the women they victimized, and the women cannot be held at fault in any way shape or form. Yes, teach your daughters what to look out for, but it only goes so far. There is no way to detect these wolves in sheep’s clothing. They are good at concealing their intentions and have had a long time to hone their craft. And I’m sure they are skilled at getting their female counterparts to drop charges as well. That is one way to combat this tho.. call the police, and press charges. Every time. Don’t take matters into your own hands. Don’t attempt to dispense vigilante justice, and do not commit the sin of silence. Pick up the phone dial 911 and resolve yourself to pressing charges. Get these people locked up and in the criminal justice system. Don’t let yourself carry the guilt of hearing about how they victimized another person after you because you didn’t press charges when you could have.

Reporting seems like such a viable option in theory, but in reality it doesn't work like that. And yes, men can be r@ped. The body responds to stimuli, even against our will. So let's not use this to victim blame in any direction.

But the point of the conversation isn't what should women do to seek justice. The op asked what are men doing to help mitigate the issue amongst themselves. And leaving it to us to seek justice isn't answering that question or the desparate societal need for men to hold each other accountable.

:1777832788,5668161,
Wild. How about those of us who aren’t doing those terrible things?? Aren’t we mitigating it just by being who we are? Disappointing really when you all have had fathers/brothers/uncles/nephews/sons who haven’t done it and are still Read more… lumped into the same crowds who are terrible people. But I digress, what do I know? Lol

But look how terrible you are with even your words. Even your words express *** and disdain for women. Dismissive and misogynistic. No empathy or desire to understand or mitigate the issue. Clearly we see you're not aligned with us. you just want to exert your *** and h@te in a space that is asking for solutions. Poisonous.

I did. I suggested c a s t r a t I o n, you chose to ignore that. I'm not saying people shouldn't report. I'm saying that's our only recourse currently, and that DOES NOT WORK! Savile was reported numerous times with no investigation. Had they believed and followed up on the first report, how many Read more… would have been saved? How about epstein? How many reports? How many years before action was taken and still, where's the justice being served.

Let me tell you about my daughter, 1.5 meters tall, less than 50 kilos. While she was sleeping, her bf went through her phone and didn't like a message he saw. He, over 2 meters tall, weighing more than 100kg of muscle. He decided this was cause to str@ngle her in her sleep. She awoke, bit him in the chest to get away, ran n@ked to her neighbors for help. They called the police. Police arrived, talked to him first, saw the bite mark on his chest, saw the hand marks around her throat, talked to the neighbors about the call, and then they arrested my daughter for ***, left him at her house, took her to the station and then released her, to him. Luckily I stepped in to confront him and to keep her alive.

So no, reporting isn't the viable answer. Not in most cases. Not when the systems and supposed protectors are misogynistic and patriarchal.

:1777897321,5668161,
😂😂😂 put me into a pit 😂😂😂

This whole thread is hilarious, it really shows people’s insecurities about how they can’t handle their past trauma and only look to project it onto others who never caused any harm nor ever would. “tHeSeS Read more… stATs sAy” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 grow up

Your trolling exposes your weakness

:1777837788,7058289, I can understand why so many people have issues imagining how female on male DV can happen. However, when it happens, it has little to do with physical strength and everything to do with having more of a fight or freeze nature and men can freeze just like Read more… women can attack. That's not gender-specific.

About the second part: I really wish it was this simple. Here in Germany, you need to be able to prove that you have fought against it (scratch marks etc. need to be visible) and that you said no. But what if you were in shock and couldn't react? Showering it off and trying to forget about it seem a lot easier in comparison to going through the process of reporting. But of course you are right, in theory reporting it should be the right and helpful response.

Very much this. There are 4 standard responses to trauma: fight, flight, freeze, fawn. That law only protects 1 version of response. And in America if you fight back, if they have marks too, the cops just leave and do nothing saying it's the fault of both parties. Or worse, they arrest the person who was defending themselves because they inherently believe men but not women.

:1777832788,5668161,
Wild. How about those of us who aren’t doing those terrible things?? Aren’t we mitigating it just by being who we are? Disappointing really when you all have had fathers/brothers/uncles/nephews/sons who haven’t done it and are still Read more… lumped into the same crowds who are terrible people. But I digress, what do I know? Lol

If I put you into a pit with 100 snakes and 10 of them were deadly poisonous, how many snakes would you pick up? And if we go by today's stats, if 50 or more of them were poisonous, how quickly would you want out of that pit? How about if they all look the same? So no, not all men, but enough to make it a very dangerous pit.