Why can you no longer report profiles for "financial interests"?

[Ha****]

1 hour ago, Doitanyway said:

If you’re saying that, because the app makes *** off of those who solicit, the app is likely to let the solicitors remain, rather than remove them on moral grounds, then the cynic in me agrees. Though, I don’t remember any of those solicitors that I’ve come across having paid memberships.

The site gains in other ways by allowing fakes, namely they provide interaction for paying users and make the site look more "busy". There are plenty of newbies or people who are "less capable at spotting fakes" who are taken in by them and the site profits from that.

[Gi****]

It's a micro manifestion of mankind's transition into a technocratic era

[Gi****]

I can only anticipate you don't consume porn since prostitution disgusts you. Integrity.

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15 minutes ago, Gilly222 said:

I can only anticipate you don't consume porn since prostitution disgusts you. Integrity.

Not sure if that's aimed at me? But no, I don't consume porn - not out of moral grounds, but its mostly, cheesy, over-acted/fake that makes it a turn-off for me.

And prostitution, like porn, do not disgust me... I just don't think it should be promoted on sites/apps like this where subscribers like me are the ones who pay for and enable the platform. Prostitutes/content sellers do not contribute financially.

I would not object to them if they did have to pay and profiles were tagged as such so that they could be filtered from those not wanting to see "adverts" and the subscription cost was thus lowered for everyone.

But as things stand it's obviously very wrong that you have the paying member group finamcially supporting the activities of the sellers who add no value to the paying members site experience, and in most cases make the site experience a lot worse.

[Gi****]

Same as the taxpayer system.

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10 minutes ago, Gilly222 said:

Same as the taxpayer system.

Not really. The tax system is necessary to protect (pay for) those who are either unable to provide for themselves, or are in low-paid jobs where the work is still contributing to the good of society.

[Gi****]

Yeah and prostitutes are there for men who otherwise couldn't enjoy sex. Is that not contributing to their good?

[Gi****]

I wouldn't say kink is a benevolent contribution to society in itself either though

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2 hours ago, Gilly222 said:

Yeah and prostitutes are there for men who otherwise couldn't enjoy sex. Is that not contributing to their good?

I don't disagree... Where we differ is that this isn't the correct site/app for that (unless it changed to a 'pay to advertise' model and stopped the current imbalance). There are other sites where people can specifically meet prostitutes.

[Co****]

There has definitely been a increase is fake profiles over the last few days I have noticed (not necessarily paying/FinDom related but that’s of course implied anyway), but Fet does appear to be tackling them quite well too as they disappear (or show pending verification) quite quickly.
Be just a little cautious and safe out there beautiful people 😊

[Ha****]

2 hours ago, Gilly222 said:

I wouldn't say kink is a benevolent contribution to society in itself either though

Never said it was.... but why should the people that pay to use the site (most of whom will be taxpayers) pay whilst prostitutes (who dont pay tax) don't?

And before you ask, yes, sex work should be legalised, taxed, and sex workers given same rights and protections as other workers.

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6 hours ago, Gilly222 said:

This just in: Sex sells.

Especially when combined with a circumstance of desperation for attention that makes someone *** to being "sold" to.
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The problem with sites like this is many men come with an expectation of having their wildest fantasies fulfilled and in doing so leave themselves open to people out to part them from their ***.

[Taskmaster55]

Seemed I opened a can of worms, but yes, the option seemed to re-appear yesterday thankfully.

Still, its an interesting discussion on how this site and others seems to be more and more overun with time wasters, scammers, fakes etc.

[Ha****]

12 minutes ago, Come_here_littleboo said:

There has definitely been a increase is fake profiles over the last few days I have noticed (not necessarily paying/FinDom related but that’s of course implied anyway), but Fet does appear to be tackling them quite well too as they disappear (or show pending verification) quite quickly.
Be just a little cautious and safe out there beautiful people 😊

As soon as they remove the profile the scammer just creates a new one as there is no cost and too little effort to prevent them doing so... so the site really isn't doing anything about it.

[Ha****]

6 minutes ago, Taskmaster55 said:

Seemed I opened a can of worms, but yes, the option seemed to re-appear yesterday thankfully.

Still, its an interesting discussion on how this site and others seems to be more and more overun with time wasters, scammers, fakes etc.

Yep, I moved over to here from alt.com 3-4 years ago specifically because that site was run by spivs and the site full of fakes and cam-girls and this one wasn't...

[Co****]

17 minutes ago, HatfieldMaster said:

As soon as they remove the profile the scammer just creates a new one as there is no cost and too little effort to prevent them doing so... so the site really isn't doing anything about it.

I think that’s a very blinkered point of view. The site is promoting/enforcing verification and removing suspect profiles. That’s action, and way more than other sites I could mention.
We are now seeing the introduction of passport scans and the like (Tinder has just introduce this I believe) but thats potentially as flawed also.
It’s not an easy problem to fix, because anyone can sign up, as you point out.

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9 hours ago, Gilly222 said:

What percentage of females that approach are you guys experiencing to be fake/scams?(obviously I don't have that perspective so I'm curious what it's like)

I'm going to say I don't have a huge issue but then also how I used this site is a little different.   

A lot of the scammers/sellers have one of two ways to operate (both fairly straight forward)

The most common seems to be do nothing, and wait for people to come to them.  This means they're not going to be hit by any message limits, or trigger most alarms, and while I doubt men look so much - you wouldn't go to their profile and see they'd sent considerably more messages than received.    And so all they do is set up near a large city, and wait for the guys who sit and wait for newbies to pounce on - or for someone to message everyone in a location - and then they reply and start whatever their grift or objective is. 

Now, of course - the guys who mass message, or pounce are gonna get replies - so they are going to have an overall negative experience ("the only people who reply to me are scammers" - etc)

The other way is to move a little faster and maybe message a few people until they hit the icebreaker limit - looking in my message it seems I have received 2 of these in the last 3 months.  

 

Mind

in the past 12 months there were only 2 people who reached out who *might* have been interested - that women tend not to make the first approach (and I often assume if someone is messaging it's more likely to be for a general chat - there are some who I do chat with and it's definitely just chatting) is a big thing. 
I think also - it's been a while since I reached out to anyone myself - but I did tend to get replies if nothing else.  But then, I was also overly selective. 

[ge****]

25 minutes ago, HatfieldMaster said:

As soon as they remove the profile the scammer just creates a new one as there is no cost and too little effort to prevent them doing so... so the site really isn't doing anything about it.

What do you suggest the site does about it?
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It's a problem that every site like this faces, and none of them have come up with a solution beyond blocking users when they become aware of it.
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The options are very limited beyond that - making it a pay only site won't work as most scammers will still pay the fee because they can make more from a scam - make the fee higher and you risk losing genuine users (if you haven't already lost them by imposing a fee in the first place).
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Requiring verification for all users is again problematic as many scammers are part of large organised groups who can easily provide the means to verify.
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The list goes on and there is no perfect and practical solution

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27 minutes ago, HatfieldMaster said:

As soon as they remove the profile the scammer just creates a new one as there is no cost and too little effort to prevent them doing so... so the site really isn't doing anything about it.

I disagree with the assessment - but - there is a curse that all sites like this face.

I remember when this site was new - and the complaints people were making were there weren't enough people, especially in their area - that it was dead - blah blah 

and then over time it got more popular, and the more popular a site gets the more desirable it is to both scammers and sellers.  But then also to consider... this sites origins are Germany, and the German version of this site worked with a lot of Pro Dommes.  There are rules Pros must follow, but it is very popular as a form of listing site for pros in Germany, however this is (a) not allowed for US users due to US laws (b) not something which really caught on that much outside of Germany.

So, I'm loosely aware that if someone is flagged for selling that one of two things should happen.  (1) if they are located in the US, they are told this is not allowed and that they must either not use the profile for selling or delete their account (2) if they are not in the US then as (1) but a 3rd option of "you can pay for a Dominatrix account" 

So it's not always a case of just immediately deleting someone.

And while a harder line could be used - there are people I know who do some form of selling (sessions, content, etc) that are on here, or have been on here - looking for dating etc and they've been flagged when they've rejected someone and someone has said "this person also sells" there was a point guys were deliberately doing this to women who'd rejected them

So what can you do?

IP blocking no longer works due to how the internet has changed.  You can get a new IP just by restarting your router.  You get multiple IPs if you access via your phone.

Forcing everyone to verify - whilst something which can slow down or stop folk - can create false positives and also is off-putting to most users.  

That even if you were totally trusting of putting a passport scan in to access a dating site, how many other users would? Particularly those you want to meet?  And in reality, this just puts up the demand for fake and stolen passports.  There are, for example, OF sellers who've had their IDs stolen - so, someone else can catfish as them.  And that's before we get into AI generated IDs. 

[Gi****]

Surely there's no greater endorsement than legalising it?

[Gi****]

Oh Lord AI profiles. The dangers are endless😅😅

[Ha****]

7 minutes ago, Gilly222 said:

Surely there's no greater endorsement than legalising it?

Not sure where you're going with this... just because something is legal doesn't mean it's appropriate in all situations, or are you saying that it would be ok for a brothel to setup next door to a school?

Likewise, people (mostly men) don't sign up and pay to use this site to look for a prostitute. What is wrong with the adultwork.com site??? Would you be happy if you were on there as a sex worker and the majority of people interacting with you had no intention of paying for anything? No, you'd be pissed off for them wasting your time.

[Gi****]

"A happy sex worker" lol . Non sequitur re schools so I'm disengaging with the intellectual dishonesty. Namaste 🙏🏻

[Ha****]

1 hour ago, gemini_man said:

What do you suggest the site does about it?
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It's a problem that every site like this faces, and none of them have come up with a solution beyond blocking users when they become aware of it.
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The options are very limited beyond that - making it a pay only site won't work as most scammers will still pay the fee because they can make more from a scam - make the fee higher and you risk losing genuine users (if you haven't already lost them by imposing a fee in the first place).
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Requiring verification for all users is again problematic as many scammers are part of large organised groups who can easily provide the means to verify.
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The list goes on and there is no perfect and practical solution

You're right that there is no perfect (100%) solution, but the harder you make it and more obstacles you put in the way you will deter all but the most hardened fakes/scammers, which would probably eliminate 90% of the fakes. Simply removing profiles does nothing and is no deterrent whatsoever.

The problem is that there is no incentive for dating sites (in the broader sense) to tackle this issue. You can bet your bottom dollar that if they were ***d by law to perform some sort of ID verification then they would all do so. There are plenty of 3rd party identity solutions available which would mean the site never had access to your real name and details etc (for those worried about the site being hacked). Would there be some dropoff in users? Probably, to begin with. But once it was the norm people would just accept it and get on with it.

And if you don't want to go down the ID verification route then you can easily validate uniqueness by doing a debit/credit card number check or mobile number verification, with the same number not being allowed once it's associated with a banned account. Again not 100% but it will eliminate all but the most hardcore fakes as the average fake is not going to go through the cost or hassle of continually getting new mobile sim cards and getting lots of debit/credit cards is impractical due to credit checks etc.

Sitting on your hands and ignoring the problem is no solution.

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26 minutes ago, Gilly222 said:

"A happy sex worker" lol . Non sequitur re schools so I'm disengaging with the intellectual dishonesty. Namaste 🙏🏻

Lol. You accuse me of intellectual dishonesty when you've been trying to put words in my mouth the whole time, eg trying to ***t me as a hypocrite, saying i was pro-porn and anti prostitutes (which i'm not)... and then saying that just because i think prostitution should be legalised that i endorse it unconditionally (which i don't) - so of course i'm going to rebut it.